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« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2008, 11:28:52 am » |
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One needs to remember that allot of these electrolytes are for Experiments ONLY...
and Not meant for constant use... this is what made Baking soda popular in the first place as everyone has some in their Kitchen ! you can just as easy use stright Kitchen salt.
and yes it realy really does up the conductivity of the water.. but the goo that will form because of the salt is not worth it at all !!!!!!
Baking soda is fine...BUT it contains SALT.... SODIUM is the worst thing you can have in a hydroxy cell, it makes a green goo that will coat the plates and stop all production eventually, and simply washing it off in the sink really isn't good enough as it leaves a water proof coating baked on to the plates .... take it from me this is not a good solution
for constant hard use...
using anything with sodium in it will eventually stop the production in the cell.
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thats how I see it... and I don't use anything with sodium in it for that reason.
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2008, 12:40:05 pm » |
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The reason I bring it up is during the reaction it produces hydrogen, CO2, and ethane. I don't know if the vinegar neutralizes the sodium in the baking soda. If you are not producing oxygen that might be easier to overcome the o2 sensors and computer problem some of us have. I will put together a test cell Mon. and let it run and see if it produces the dreaded GOOO and see if it coats the plates.
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« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2008, 11:22:35 pm » |
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I've almost exclusively used KOH for my cells, although I recently tried out NaOH (Roebic drain opener) and have to say that it drove me nuts! It leaves white chalky mess everywhere if it spills, plus seems to seep out of every place it can find leaving it's chalky goo in it's path. I had to clean down the radiator of my truck with vinegar and a brush to get rid of the mess when I had a hose barb leak.
I'm testing Sodium Acetate at the moment but am waiting for a new batch of KOH to arrive. Come back KOH!... All is forgiven!!!
By the way, I would love to try just straight distilled water and high voltage.
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« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2008, 07:40:48 am » |
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Painless:
I Have used KOH a great deal on my "Randy cells" with good luck till I switched from a series hookup to a Parallel hookup .. and within a day the KOH turned To a dark Coffee brown
and coated the plates and the output dropped within a few days to nothing !
I cleaned the cell with "Muratic Acid" which worked fantastically I might add and tried it again with KOH and got the same results....
it seams that High heat will Cook the KOH and make the coffee color ...live and learn I guess.... I sense then have switched to Lemonaid Koolaid and havn't had a bit of problem with the COFFEE COLOR !...( about 20packs to the gallon)
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I still have my KOH but am running low and plan to go back to it when I get the tempiture down in the cell ! ( planning on a recirculating system for the electrolyte)
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« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2008, 09:54:13 pm » |
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will muratic acid take the coating off plates from sodium hydroxide?
I'm runnin the junk in my cell till I get koh or koolaid cuz I didn't know any better when I put it in :-) I'm hopin when I switch over (probably to koolaid) the muratic acid will get my booster nice n shiny.
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« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2008, 11:13:02 pm » |
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Yah it should do the trick for ya !
but try this... 100% muratic acid in the container with the cell for 10 minutes
adjateing it every once in a while ... then Flush it with high pressure water( garden hose)
and clean it real good .... then inspect it if it still looks dirty then do it again !
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I did mine for 30 min at 100% but they were all BROWN plates... and sense they were Randy cells they are tough as nails too they survived with no problem and came out shinnie and new looking !... but it takes the blast of water to get the crud off the plates the Acid just loosens it !
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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2008, 11:17:40 pm » |
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Jake; from what I've heard and learned koolaid works in a cell with very close spacing 1/16" or less, has anyone tried a mixture of koolaid and KOH? might be something good maybe.
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« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2008, 08:57:16 am » |
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I would think with koolaid being an acid and Koh being a base they would neutralize each other out.
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« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2008, 07:34:13 pm » |
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Painless:
I Have used KOH a great deal on my "Randy cells" with good luck till I switched from a series hookup to a Parallel hookup .. and within a day the KOH turned To a dark Coffee brown
and coated the plates and the output dropped within a few days to nothing !
I cleaned the cell with "Muratic Acid" which worked fantastically I might add and tried it again with KOH and got the same results....
it seams that High heat will Cook the KOH and make the coffee color ...live and learn I guess.... I sense then have switched to Lemonaid Koolaid and havn't had a bit of problem with the COFFEE COLOR !...( about 20packs to the gallon)
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Bob, I was just checking out the Randy cell design in it's thread. It looks to me like all of the washers are connected to power, effectively using 12-13.8v per +/- pair? This would certainly explain why the parallel setup cooks the electrolyte and why it runs lower amps in series. Ideally, you should not run more than approximately 2v per cell, anything over that will generate heat and cause your system to also produce more steam vapor than HHO. If I misunderstood the diagrams, please correct me! Russ. |
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« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2008, 08:12:16 pm » |
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Painless:
You are correct the "Randy Cell is hooked in Parallel to the plates , so they all recieve the same voltage 12~14vdc at 20 amps the single cell gets purdy darn warm but produces 2 to 2.5LPM ...a very hefty output indeed !
in series hookup they run much cooler as you have surmized, sense they both only get 6vdc each then however the 2 in series drawing the same amperage produce the same as 1 cell does
the only advantage of having 2 is the less heat then....
so I stepped up the amperage to gry and get a bit more production out of the cells and did get more... aprox 3 to 3.5... ( my dog chewed up my LPM test bottle so I had to guess at it)
when I went to 30amps instead of 20... so it did help...
but production again went down after a week or so and it was because of the coffee color , so I flushed and acid cleaned it , and then switched to parallel hookup thats when it turned coffee color within hours... so that was too much heat ! hehehehehehe
... I was just playing with them trying to squeeze out a bit more and wound up getting the cells realy dirty !
If I use the Randy cells again I will use 2 in a 1 gal container in series, I had 3 but the amps need to make them produce was more than my stock truck could handle
I would need 60 amps for the 3 in series to make them operate as good as they would seperately, and my altenator is only a 65 amper!
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so thats where I set now ... the Hydroxy gen is by my work bench and there is 2ft of snow here ... I ain't going out there to work on it in this cold ! HAHAHAHAH
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« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2009, 09:59:47 am » |
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I was wondering if anyone has ran gasoline or diesel fuel thru their cell and what happened.
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« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2009, 06:12:44 pm » |
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Not I....
although diesel sure would cut down on the rust <GRIN>
dunno what you'ed get out of diesel if you split the molicules appart or even if you could
hehehe interesting idea Roadking ! might come up with Assetline or something weird!
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« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2009, 07:21:02 pm » |
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I was wondering if anyone has ran gasoline or diesel fuel thru their cell and what happened.
Gasoline is basically carbon, hydrogen and various other junk. Electrolysis would split the hydrogen from the other elements, leaving nice yucky amounts of carbon etc in your gen. However, a spark due to a short inside your cell would have much more interesting results! |
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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2009, 06:49:09 am » |
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As the whole point is to reduce a virtually free and limitless substance, water, into it's constituent parts I don't see any point in playing around with anything else.
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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2009, 05:37:10 pm » |
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Anyone of yall tried Orange Juice as an Electrolite. Tried it today with a supriseing result. It did work pertty good, but instead of gas foam came out. I scoped some up and put it on the ground. lit my torch and tried to check to see if there was any HHO in it. It was a pertty big BANG for only a little scoup of foam. You couldn't put this in your car but was insteresting, the foam lasted for up to 30 min in a bucket. I was looking for a better electrolite , still looking. Got to be something safer than Robic. Bob I'll try koolaid how much did you put in water to get around 20 amps that sounds good to me.
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