100% Hydroxy powered Pickup!

[Bob]

Steve:
 We tried that idea before and it didn't produce the HHO like it should have.
probably because of the limited amps I could give it at the time...
 I had a single container with 3 "Randy cells" in it.
I gave it 40 amps  but it needed 60 amps... the reason I could not give it any more was because I could not get any more Amperage out of the Electrolyte... it topped out at about 42amps at saturation...
so I ran 2 cells and only got about 3 3/4LPM  not 4 .... and to be honnest I do not know why there was a drop in the output.... there shouldn't have been it should have given me 4LPM but I never got that
(at least I don't think I did)
 Randy had 6 cells in a single container at one time if I remember correctly....
however his output was something like 4LPM was all as well ( he was limited by Amperage he had to pull at the time too)
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 weather 4 cells in a single container will give you 8LPM output is the question here ...and I can say from experience that you cannot pull enough amps through the electrolyte to get that much production you would need to pull 80 amps ...and even KOH won't do that !
that is why I have gone to single cells in single containers....
although you can probably get 40 amps ok (2 cells) and that would cut the need of containers by half
I have decided that rather than risk lower production, I'll go with the more containers ! LOL
hehehehehe
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great idea... and it looks like it would work... we tried it even.... but the electrolyte is the downfall of that plan...
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Bob......
(great mod on the drawing too by the way ! <GRIN>)


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[Bob]

 I have been wondering if I should just make the 2" Randy cells instead of making them all out of 3" washers ?
 the 2" ones work but I have not built one using the new stacking method and I don't know if that new stacking method will change the output of the cell or not....
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 Randy can you shed some light on that for me ?
is it worth making them from 3" washers ?
is there any real benefit other than fewer washers needed ?
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Bob..........

[randy]

I'm sure the new stacking method would work with 2" washers, it may throw off the tuning though, might need to add a washer or two, You'd want to measure from the edge of the 1/2" hole to the edge of the washer and drill dead center of that area, the 5/8" hole on one side is only leaving 1/16" of metal on the close spots, that's not much.

[Bob]

ok thank you Randy !
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 I just came back from town and spent $115.00 at the hardware store for container parts !
I changed my container design to suit the parts that were available... and make the fewest parts necessary.... I got ...
1-4"x5'ABS pipe for $15.27
5-4" test plugs (pop off caps) for $32.90 (it was far cheaper to go with these than the reducer fitting
     2" test caps and 2"ABS pipe to fit the fitting so the pop off caps fit.)
5-1/4"x1/4" Nilon barb hose fitting 90deg $6.90
5-4" ABS caps $41.85
1 4oz. ABS Cement black $3.38
1-2"x2' ABS pipe (for a bubbler) $3.89
 I went to 2 places Home depot which didn't have hardly any thing I needed so I left and went to Lowes and got it all there (at a higher price)
...total cost of $104.19 without tax of about $9.50
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anyway that is About 1/2 the containers I need.... 5 of the 10 needed
 if I do what Steve was saying and put 2 cells per container  even at the worst senerio I shouldn't need any more containers than 10 of them !
but considering heat build up and Electrolyte having to be Maxed I think it might be better to go more containers...
... However considering the HEAT problem that may or may Not rear its ugly head...
if I have to have a recirculation tank for the electrolyte to keep things cool then I just as well run 2 cells per container anyway.... 1 cell per container Should not over heat at 20 amps...and that the plan at the moment but 2 cells probably would over heat on a long run
so I just as well figure a recirculation tank if I go 2 cells for 1 container...
but it adds allot more complexity, more parts and expense and all that.
....and I haven't bought the WASHERS YET !!!! YEOUCH!  heheheheh
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Anyway... the containers will consist of a 12" chunk of 4" ABS pipe, a 4" Pop off cap, and a 1/4" 90deg hose fitting... purdy darn simple LOL ....only one part to glue on , and thats the cap on the bottom. 
 I'm guessing but that size of pipe will hold about 3/4 of a gallon of water at the running level (about 2" below the pop off cap, the hose fitting will be right at the bottom of the Pop off cap on the inside, so 2" below that will be the water level technically.)
... I don't like the containers being only 12" long, So,  I may make them 18" instead, they'll hold allot more Water that way. but I'll have to buy more 4" pipe ! LOL
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of corse all this hinges upon the big 4" Pop off cap sealing up air tight ! if they don't I wasted about 40 bucks !  (Whimper!)
 I was thinking that the 4" pop off caps might split the end of the pipe so I may put a 4" hose clamp at the top to strap the container down with as well as support the plastic up there a bit.
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 I want to make it real easy to take a single cell off... like a 7/16" end wrench for the electrical hookups, pull off the barb hose fitting , un clamp the top and pull off the cell
...this will be really important so I can pull off a cell that's giving me trouble and swap in another one just like it in good shape.   having 3 extra cells will allow me to ROTATE the cells through out the year and always have a good clean set up running
... I don't want to have to take the whole rack of cells out to work on one cell.
 a 2"x6" plank with "L" brackets screwed to it one for each cell will be bolted to the bed of the truck....
if need be I can add another Rack of cells and expand the system untill the truck runs on 100% hydroxy gas..... come hell or high water it will run on HHO ONLY ! LOL !
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Bob.....

[randy]

hey Bob, I believe it was Brad that was working on running a small engine on hho, he got 2" washers with a 1/4" hole really cheap online, if you go back through his posts you might find his source, the new build would work great with those washers, I'd look for it for ya but gotta go to work.

[Bob]

Ahhh ...good idea on that Randy ! thanks !
I'll take a look see if'in I can find it ! <grin>
...I understand the problem with the large hole and the washer having a 1/2" hole in the center... sure don't leave much meat left to hold it together!...
with only a 1/4" hole in the center it would have allot more room on each side....
...I suppose a person could reduce the size of the bolt and nuts going through it by using 1/8" all thread in stainless steel but that could be harder to find than hens' teeth! heheheh
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I'll see if I can find that post by Brad later
... THANK YOU !
Bob...

[H²+O]

I Ordered 2" ss316 with a 1/4" center hole form mcmaster.com
here is the link for the 2" 316 washers http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-washers/=d2fube

nevermind lol,, guess it just takes you to where you can select the washers,, i really like that site.

[H²+O]

I must have missed something.. What is the NEW stacking method? the old was the MkI Right? (11 plates -+-+-+-+-+-)? what thread is it in?

[Weapon_R]

I must have missed something.. What is the NEW stacking method? the old was the MkI Right? (11 plates -+-+-+-+-+-)? what thread is it in?

http://www.hydroxyhut.com/index.php/topic,21.0.html

[randy]

Yeah my latest build is here;
http://www.hydroxyhut.com/index.php/topic,457.0.html
plate spacing ends up around .045" but works well with the 4" washers.

[Weapon_R]

Bob I think 20 Lpm is over kill. But I could be wrong. I don't see any reason to run vehicle over 3000 rpm for regular driving.
May I suggest a switch to turn gas on and off so gas is used only when required. You could then build unit using less parts and add if its required.

[Bob]

I hope your Right on that !
 earlier (years ago) I calculated how much I needed to reach 3000RPM on my truck and I came up with 12 to 15LPM was all... so as much as 20LPM should peg the RPM guage... if I want to ...hehehe
  But I am mostly guessing and I admit that, so having a bit of play room wouldn't hurt at all!
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 I cut my 4" ABS pipe into 12" long sections, got 5 blanks for containers...then I had to go to town.
...still haven't filled up the pickup to see what I'm getting as far as MPG goes, I'll probably do that next trip in though.
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 if I had say a 5gal pressure tank (or its equivelant) as a HHO gas Holding tank I should be able to get away with far fewer cells.... I agree completely with that Idea Weapon-R...in fact i may only need just the 5 I am in the process of making now... sense I am going to have to make a holding tank anyway... i just as well make it a larger one and just plan on using the "regulated pressure" method
for the volume needed.
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 the more I think on that idea the more i like it.... its far cheaper ! LOL
.. although I doubt 5 cells will be enough ... but I may only need to add a few more and 5 cells may well get me into the 100% testing stage... the 100% testing stage will be the interesting part...I can't wait to get to that ! LOL
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Bob.......

[Bob]

Years ago I designed a "Pressure Regulated" idea for using Hydroxy gas...
I tested the Holding tank idea and it did indeed work...  I had it switch on at 7psi or less and turn off at 11psi.... which was as low as I could get the Water pump pressure switch to work at.
... it worked automatically flawlessly.... turned on and off like it was supposed to and held 11psi
for as long as I wanted.
  ...I tested my torch on that system and it worked real good, once I got the hole small enough on the torch! HEHEHEHEH   I only had a 1" long flame and it would almost go out before the generator kicked back on .... but it did keep it lit...
 I wasn't sure what to expect from HHO burning so I had a flame lit and setting there that I just passed the torch tip through and it lit the torch with no BOOM ! hehehehe by then I was getting a bit jumpy with the HHO and FLAMES !  it does indeed go BOOM in a big way! HAHAHAHAH
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 a bigger system than what I had is all I should need to run a vehicle.... but you will have to have a valve on the HHO gas line to regulate the HHO into the engine... I figured a Ball valve hooked to the throttle linkage of the throttle body should do the trick...
for idle.... a tiny needle valve from a  "T" in the line just before the ball valve  should give all the gas you need for idle control while the ball valve is closed....
 having an electric on off valve for the HHO gas line to shut off ALL gas period would be a great idea
as well.... if the engine quits and won't start you don't want the idle needle valve to fill the whole system with HHO.
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now if I can find a White fiberglass "bed cover" for the bed of my pickup  I'll be able to keep it under lock and key as well ! hehehehehehhe.... better have some vent holes though ! HAHAHA!
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Bob......

[Bob]

here's a pic of the Cell containers going together...
Bob....

[Bob]

the price for these parts are quite high, even using ABS instead of PVC (because its cheaper and tougher).
 the pop off 4" cap... the biggest I have seen yet anywhere was about $8.00 each and the end caps which should have been around $3.00 bucks was a whopping $7.00 something !  and the 4" ABS pipe that used to be about $15.00 for a 10ft length was over $21.00 so I bought half a piece and they charged me $15.00 for that ...geez ! obviously I would have been better off to buy the 20ft length but I went the more expensive short piece because I didn't have a saw and I didn't want the hassel of tieing it down in my short pickup.......not in 108 degrees ! LOL
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Now I need cell components.... I'll figure 6 3" washers per cell and I have 5 cells so thats 35 washers
to be on the safe side I'll get 40 washers.... that's going to hurt !
I'll buy S.S. Threaded rod if it looks cheaper than bolts but I doubt it will.
I think its easier to just order everything on line and have them delever it to me than hunt for the parts in town... but we'll see how much that costs first ! LOL
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Bob....