Using a Gasoline Generator to Power HHO Cells

[H²+O]

Ok so i'm contemplating on using a regular generator to power some hho cells.

Why do we want to rig up a system that uses a little B&S motor hooked to a Alternator giving ourselves a lot of work converting and matching things up so it will work for us?? There are already generators for that!

The difference is that generators put out 110/220v rather  than the 14.7v or so of an alternator.
another difference is the AC vs. DC currents that are produced, not exactly sure

but i have a 4000watt generator and a 1200watt generator that are just waiting for something 

hoping to figure out a hho generator that i need for that to work for me.

Steve

[H²+O]

Building a HHO generator what we normally do is the 2v per plate and try and get right around .3-.5 apsi (i'll use .3)
so taking a 1200watt generator that has a 110v outlet we would need a 55 plate cell, and the amps produced is 10.9 so to figure out how much each plate area needs to be (only calculating 1 side of each washer). well doing that math without actually doing it i'd say you need 'washers' that are 1/2 an inch!!

not sure how that would work cause i will need some dinky washers!! and to drill holes and then put it together.... tough stuff!

i'm kinda thinking that instead of building one long cell i would build 5-10 smaller ones and then wire them end to end with 316.

Steve

[Bob]

Steve !
 In this case its better to forget the APSI stuff and remember what Manta sujested a while back about using wattage.... ( you could use wattage per square inch!... just not amps!)
this is because going to 120vac converting it to DC and you'll get close to 150vDC... (from peek voltage  to zero voltage)
 ok that changes Drastically the APSI figures and we need a common ground to meet the two on... whats where Wattage comes in at.
 at 12Vdc and 20amps Volts times amps-watts =240watts
if I remember my latest calcs on the Randy cell it was 44square inches
44/240=0.18333 WATTS PER SQUARE INCH or WPSI
your cell should have 0.1833 wpsi or somewhere near that
your 55plate cell then would need 0.183WPSI ....
if each plate was lets say 3sqr in 3x55=165sqr in.
165sq.in times 0.1833=30.2445 Watts
or to do it another way ...
1200watts /55=21.818 sqr inches per plate to give each plate 1 watt each (allot more than 0.183)
21.818*0.1833=3.99watts so we are a long way from it...
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6"x6" plates=36 sqr in *55=1980sqr in total
1200/1980=0.6060WPSI....
 I believe Bob Boyce used 60 plates 150vdc and 2500watts in his first High Voltage cell.
and it worked extremely well and gave him something like 30LPM ! you can see why with the WPSI figures... they are far above the Randy cell!
he powered only the end plates and the rest of the plates were Neutral plates
His larger HV cell used 101 plates 8"x8" (not sure on that) 1/8" plate spacing (same as the first cell) and a larger 220vac 5000watt inverter that he rectified the output to DC and fed it to his Cell... his output was 50~55LPM
a truly amazing amount of Hydroxy gas ! the most anyone has produced yet.
He also used a special circuit to tune the pulses to resonate with the cell to create more HHO.... the question everyone is asking now is weather that circuit was necessary or not to produce that amount of gas....
Many people have built these big cells for use in welding shops its a free gas and works very good on cutting super-hard metals.  
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HOWEVER you do not want to plug a 1200watt load into a 1200watt generator , you'll melt it in short order..... 800watts would be allot more reasonable for continuous usage
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I'll leave it to you to do the math on a 800watt cell <LOL>
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I hope that helped some
Logic tells you that a cell with 1/2" washers is hardly worth the effort to put together
even if you had 55 of them.... sure it'd work but the pain of assembly would drive ya bonkers! LOL

[Bob]

its also important to notice the difference between Bob Boyce's cell and the Randy Cell
 Bob was going for MAX output he could get with plates spaced at 1/8" apart
Randy achieved a Small cell that produced a large amount but had plate spacing of .02"~.04"
the difference in the WPSI may well be what it takes to make up that difference in plate spacing!
 the cells are no where close to one another in design either but if you look past the design
and look at what is happening to make the HHO you can see the corolations where the power was HIGH on each.
Unlike many other sites where they chant Plate area and not AMPS it is very important to understand what does the "WORK" of breaking down the water molecules, the wider the gap the more power it takes to do the same thing and it is exponential in the distance from touching to as far out as 1/4" the closer the gap the less power it takes to make x amount of HHO. where if you have a wider gap it takes more POWER to make up for the wider gap to make the same amount.
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Bob....

[Manta]

...The difference is that generators put out 110/220v rather  than the 14.7v or so of an alternator.
another difference is the AC vs. DC currents that are produced, not exactly sure Smiley...


I don't think it will work.  Rectified  ac (if you were to convert it to DC) would produce 0.7 of the ac voltage.
I haven't read anywhere of anyone using ac to run a cell.  I'll be interested to see how you get on with this experiment.

Why should you want to use a generator to produce hydroxy gas ?  I thought that the idea was to use the gas to power engines,  and to do this via the dc supply from the alternator.

How do you intend to use your set up ?

Dave
(Manta)

[H²+O]

well what i'm thinking is (and i know i'm jumping around all over the place) taking a G/generator and running it full time at peak efficiency producing hho, then using that to run the car and any extra to boost the G/generator efficiency!

Really i'm looking at this and powering it's http://www.allcarselectric.com/news/1054815_the-dolphin-super-aerodynamic-homebuilt-electric-car batteries with the G/generator, maybe putting a 1-2lpm HHO/generator running back into it.

just another idea to add to the list when i have plenty of extra money to drop!

Steve

[Bob]

And if you got a real GOOD well tuned Diesel generator you could chalange VW for their 260MPG crown or what ever it is ....
its a great idea DO IT!
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Bob.....

[Manta]

I wonder if the dolphin range includes heater and such things as lights and wipers.  They never tell you that.

Anyway,  if you do give it a go then we will follow the details with interest.

Dave
(Manta)

[Bob]

what got me was the 60- 12 volt Car batteries in the thing ! GEEZ !
they also mentioned 2 8" DC motors for the front wheels... I know from past research that those 8" motors will set you back $4,000.00 min each.... and he only had $3,000 tied up in it ? the batteries alone would cost him that much !  at $100.00 each times 60 is $6,000.00... so he scrounged most of the batteries and that is the reason it has crummy endurance <GRIN>
but the motors.... thats what has kept me from converting my car to electric they are Really high priced... then another $2,000 to $2,500 for the controler.... (times 2 if you have 2 motors)...
just doesn't sound like the truth is being told on the COST !
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 I gave going electric a great deal of consideration but the cost is just too high... by the time all is said and done I'd have at least $7500.00 to $8,000.00 just in PARTS !
 that's one Strong motor at $3500... if I can find it that cheap, $2000 in a controller, and 20 batteries which is bare minimum....(that's not counting cables, wiring, gauges and a charger!)
and that just to buy the PARTS to convert my Toyota Cilica to electric.... yes it would pay for it self in the next few years by not having to buy gasoline... but that does NOTHING for coming up with the money in the first place!... and cash is the only thing that will get those parts !
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 Having said that I would STILL LOVE to do it.... I just can't afford it !
I'd have to get a loan on the house to get the money to make a car.... and that just don't sound very smart to me !

LOL
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Bob.....

[H²+O]

I didn't even think about that!! it says that he has done many of these projects but common sense says different!

my brothers friend has a 98 Chevy lamina, he would get average 29-32 mpg highway, well he put clear packing tape over all the seams and now he is getting 34-36mpg! Might be a little unbelievable (and thinking about it is lol) but it worked
he did all the doors except the driver, the hood, truck, and all the body panels.

a airplane wing design for a car, as close to the ground as you can get it (Speed Bump!) is the most efficient design from what 'they' say.

Steve

[Bob]

LOL    WOW a 5mpg increase from closing up the seams in a car ?  HAHAHAHA
 that's surprising!
.... i figured 2mpg at the most ...but 5mpg is a healthy improvement indeed !
...but it does make allot of sense every break in the flow of air over the car is going to cause turbulence, that means drag and drag means your having to push against being Pulled...
its more than just aerodynamically smart to have a smooth shell around your car its smart by the power aspect as well....
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Bob......

[Bob]

I learned something when I got into Gyros that changed my view on aerodynamics...
and the jest of it is " its not just DRAG.... that we have to over come...
 when I hear the word Drag I think of dragging your feet to stop on a go cart or bicycle... just resistance to forward movement... but Aerodynamic drag is more than that...
Air is elastic and not only can you compress it as you move forward but it actually PULLS you back....  like a rubber-band... and when you get something the size of a Bowing 747 that pull backwards is a sizable force which is why they work so hard at making the aircraft as streamlined as possable....
  Now picture a Pickup.... a vehicle that is renoun for its UN-Areodynamics ! when going down the road at 60mph how much force do you figure is pulling back on the cab and tailgate?
300lbs 400 maybe ? it is a great deal that is for sure.... and the faster you go the more air you streach out /Displace and the more force you have to over come...
 its that same Sucking that pulls back on the cab of the pickup that makes a Wing Lift...so we know that its everpresent when moving something through the air....
thats what Drag is.... not Just dragging your feet but being sucked backwards by the vacume you create by moving through the air...
  making a car that can slip under the air layer on the road has been the dream of many a car designer... but only a few have really taking it to hart... the Solar electric car by the MIT Kids is so aerodynamically SLICK that it only needs a few hp to get it to 60mph!
when the auto manufacturers finally do get around to making car bodies that are Aerodynamically "SLICK" you will begin to see super MPG raitings because it will take less HP to move the car from point a to point b....
I would Love to see a car like the Solar electric one that they made with a 10hp engine in it and have that engine setup real well so it uses little gas... I bet you could get 250 to 300MPG with a setup like that ! and still go fast and not have to worry about the sun
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Bob.....