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H²+O
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« on: May 29, 2011, 01:26:37 am »

Most of us have touched on finding that method of 'vibrating' hydrogen out of water and implementing it... I've searched for it before but this time i searched 'resonant frequency of water molecule' and found some actual scientific info!

(with cool gif image showing the main vibrations occurring in water.)


this page is quite a bit beyond me at this stage of my knowledge.. (it's finally my weekend to get my brain back in working order lol!!)
http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/vibrat.html
but if one of you can translate it then i think we might be able to figure out the cost of creating a wave generator to attach to our hydroxy generators! going from strictly the 'brute force' method to a much more 'natural' method.

(bob you might want to edit out the gif if it get's to annoying for anyone!)

what do you think it'll take?

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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 01:51:03 pm »

Way beyond me as well.

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2011, 11:09:48 pm »

Looks like all possable Vibration directions are there...
but its not the Directions that break apart things..... its AMPLITUDE....think the Seattle/Tachoma  Narrows Bridge... that went into wind resonance and then broke. the bridge was fine shaking away until the AMPLITUDE got so large as to tear it apart....   the Same thing applies here with water molecules
you can bust apart water molecules with just about ANY direction...in fact the Direction is irrelevant... its the AMPLITUDE that does the busting apart !... if you shake it HARD enough you can break it.... no matter how you shake it...( oh... that sounds like a personal problem!)
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 anyway.... knowing the distance between the Elements will give you the exact frequency needed to make the molecules come into resonance.... the distance between the Hydrogen atom and the Oxygen atom is the KEY....
      that distance is the frequency needed so that the UP swing of the sound wave Or electric wave
co-insides with the UP Swing of the Next Pulse.  each Pulse then gives the previous Up swing a little push and the shake will continue to grow till it breaks apart.
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so sense we Know that it is a small distance we can obviously start at a High frequency and work our way up a wave length of .0X inches will be a very high frequency indeed.... way above Micro-wave frequencies....which are in INCHES.... and we need to at least get the HARMONIC of the distance between the 2 atoms of the Molecule... the closer you can get to the true DISTANCE between the atoms with this frequency the More apt you are to break the Molecule apart with a lower amplitude signal
... this is way above human hearing, so far its not even funny.  and its safe to say that we cannot get there from here.... we just can't do that with today's equipment.... but if we make a container that is say 1,000,000 the distance between the 2 atoms, and 1,000,000 times the distance tall
and we find the frequency that the CONTAINER goes into resonance  .... then you may have something !
as you bring the container into resonance  the water in it will assume Sympathetic Resonance because it is Harmonic of the container.... chances are before the container itself broke the water would become completely disassociated.
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 Like a Ham Radio antenna any frequency can be tuned to.... and there is more than one way to do it too !
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for what its worth anyway...
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Bob....



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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2011, 02:27:19 am »

Pretty much what i'm hearing out of what you just said BOB is that it will take a bunch of energy to split the water into 2h & o. so we get back to the problem of it not getting us farther than the current optimum 147watt (14.7v*10amp) per 1LPM of HHO. but maybe one day... when billions are invested in alternate energy source research. . . .
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2011, 03:25:05 am »

Oh, Con-tare' ... A signal generator can do the trick that your after... with the help of 2 or 3 step down units or step Up units what ever is needed to double or quadruple its frequency range to the relm we want...
 
 the amazing thing about Resonance is that it doesn't take all that much power to make a really large change in Amplitude...
  the problem is "at what frequency are we going to do this at"  once you have the Correct frequancy to bust apart the water molicules the rest is fairly simple... you can use sonic transducers, or speakers
or even solenoids for the actual transmiting of the amplified signal...
but a mear 100watts should do the trick and give you all the gas you could ever want.
 you do not have to think in ways of a gallon of water at a time , but even a teaspoon of water at a time if the supply is continual....the amount of gas coming out of such a thing would be staggering!
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  Believe me , if I had a sound generator and ossicoliscope like I used to have back in the 1980's I'ed already have made experiments in this area, but alass I do not.
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I think its probably easiest however ..instead of trying to viberate the water molicules directly
which may well be near impossable to accomplish that high a frequency.... and dangerious to boot.
it may be better to simply work over a strong container of water untill you reduce it to vapor
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in the same manor that they use sound to break a wine glass you should be able to turn the water to vapor....   however water vapor is not breaking the molicules appart.... its simply seperating the molicules from one another..... they are still water molicules just in a looser form.... that is why a boiling tea pot does not explode.... if the water molicules were broken down the teapot would blow up very dramitacally !
 we have to take it one step further than that however.... water vapor isn't good enough...
and getting water vapor is easy...  when you saturate the water vapor and Air mix with such a resonant frequency that shakes the molecules themselves apart  then you make the gas your after.
that LAST step is the hard one !
....because Air is a very good insulator to vibrations, that's why a container might be the way to go.... all the water touching the container could be reduced to its respective atoms.... and come bubbling to the top....  while trying to reduce air and water may be much much harder.
... I have no doubt that such agitation would make some water vapor... but I think that is going to be part of the game.
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  some thoughts on the idea anyway...
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Bob....




   
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