A SIMPLE TEST !

[Bob]

 Ok I have a TASK....
 
 I'll call it my HIGH VOLTAGE FIRECRACKER !
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 if this works it will prove another fellas project
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 lets take a 1" or 1.25" water pipe, put a cap on one end....use teflon tape so it won't leak.
 find a plastic or rubber cap to fit the other end of the pipe that will make it water tight.
...now feed through that rubber cap/cork a 10/2 Romex cable with the ends bared 1/4" or so to make an ARC when high voltage is put on the wires on the other end.
... fill the pipe/container with normal water....

 take the OTHER end of the Romex 10/2 wires and momentarily connect them to 110vac or 220vac
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 what will happen ?
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1. if the theory is correct, the arching in the water will make  HHO gas around the wires inside
   the pipe and the arc of electricity will ignite the gas causing it to POP like a fire cracker.
2. nothing will happen at all... because there is not enough HHO gas made to cause a reaction
3. Nothing will happen because even though HHO gas was made it bubbles to the top out of reach of
   the arc for ignition....
4.  after many tries and nothing happens, it finally works and goes BOOM.
5. the voltage is too low to rip the water molecules apart so the pipe and water just set there and
   fizzle.

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 try it and see guys, but don't electrocute yourselves! LOL

Depending on the RESULTS of the test we may be able to go around the Hydroxy cell altogether!
...if it indeed goes POP...  we do not NEED a HYDROXY CELL AT ALL !

if it goes POP (even if it takes 30 tries before it does)  I'm going to make a KIDS toy ROCKET to fire
and see how far it will go !   LOL
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should be a fun quick experiment ! ....
  What do you think Manta ?  have I lost it completely or will it work ?
...
Bob....

[Bob]

All you really need is a volume of water and an electrical line...
even a tupper ware container and stuff the heavy wire into the container and silicone it so it holds water.... then after it dries fill with water and test it.
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 its a simple test,  I'll try it when the weather is better, and if nothing happens I'll try my arc welder on it and see if that makes it work !
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 such a simple thing may indeed be the answer !
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 GEE I could use a 3 lb. coffee can and wake up the neighbors !  LOL this could be allot of fun
an "electric firecracker" ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Bob......

[Bob]

Another possible out come of this test is nothing will happen at all because the electric line just don't arc at all !.... if it doesn't arc then you'll have to move the wire ends to within about 1/8"
of one another... or perhaps a bit closer say 1/16"   but remember you need an ARC to break down the Molecules of water...
 I'm fairly certain that 120vac will arc under water up to about 1/4" but not much more than that...
when in doubt add a dash of salt to the water and try it  LOL !
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 An Arc Reactor is the best Known HHO generator today....even a small arc makes a great deal of HHO quickly...however  reason tells me that as long as the ARC is under the surface of the water it will not explode the gas because it is separated from the gas.... but soon as the gas expands enough to push out the water and the wires break the surface it should go BOOM !
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Bob...

[janmarsh]

One way or another, I feel the World is going to hear about you.   I hope Feral is aware of your thoughts & is keeping a good eye on you..... HaHa.  Crazy ! 

[randy]

Hmmm, going to check something out, if you were to add another ignition coil with it's own power supply and split the reluctor signal from the distributor, it should work both coils, then just build a container with a sparkplug installed, fill with distilled, small arc but should still work. I'll dig around and see if I have a spare distributor reluctor and try it just in case I fry it. lol, it would fire with every cylinder spark.

[Bob]

I don't think that'll do it Randy....
an Arc Reactor Works because of the large amounts of AMPS available.... an auto ignition coil don't have scratch for amperage.... that's why I was thinking a 110vac  because you could use an Inverter!
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I think ....though I am not sure at all by anymeans, that you could convert 110vac to DC and then make it square wave so it  pulses on and off....  this would eliminate the extensive automatic ARC adjustment
because the rods could cool down and not melt... they would in theory last forever...
... you could run the voltage way up through a transformer but in doing that you lower the amperage and thats not what you need... a 30amp arc reactor may have more LPM output  than just about cell design or combonation yet devised...
 Todate I don't think anyone has ever made a SMALL Arc reactor... but then I don't think anyone was trying either!...
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  it may be the easiest method of producing HHO on the fly.... we might look back and say why did we ever use the cells ? heheheheh
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the simple test idea is to see of 110vac will bust appart water and ignite it at the same time...
if it does then we don't need cells anymore we can bust apart the water in the combustion chamber and ignite it in the same move... cells would not be needed at all, just fill the gas tank with water and be done with gasoline completely..... One guy has claimed that he has done this... I want some proof before I try to see if it will actually work !  the "High voltage Fire-cracker" would be that proof!
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Bob......

[Bob]

LOL Marshal I doubt that the world would CARE ! HAHAHAHA
Feral usually keeps an eye on me but some times I can sneek out and do some experiments without interuptions ! LOL
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oooh hay I just thought of an easy way to test it... put the wires in a balloon and then fill the balloon with water...making a water balloon.... use a rubber band on the neck to seal it off
 and then ZAP it.... if it grows in size you know its making Hydroxy gas ! ...
keep zapping it till its as big as you dare go and then re orentent the position so the wires are out of the water and in the gas and then plug your ears and zap it!
LOL .....I wish someone would try that I'm dieing of couriousity!   HAHAHAHAH its raining too hard to go outside and mess with it here !
...bummer !
...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Bob......

[Bob]

I looked around today in the shop for a suitable appratious for this experiment
... after thinking on it for a while I've decided on using an old empty Pill bottle... I can put the Romex 10/2 or 10/3 wire through the cap and silicone it water tight.
 then after it dries fill the pill bottle with water and then screw the cap on...
 lay it at a 45 deg. angle so if pressure develops it can push the water out slowly.... but keep the Hydroxy gas in the bottle still....  then when the wires break the surface BOOM...
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 there is one BIG PROBLEM with this whole idea.... have you ever tried to get an ARC on a 110vac line ?
its almost IMPOSABLE ! 110v is not enough to cause a ARC of any large amount ...in fact, you just about have to touch the wires together to get them to spark ! then they will carry the arc about 1/2" or so before it stops arcing.
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so I predict that  Nothing will happen at all.... because no arc will occur  if you wiggle the wire it might get the wires closer together  and cause the arc then you might get the bang... but what happens in a short circuit is the wires Fuze together so like the stinger on an arc welder when the amps are turned way down  it will STICK and except for the initial contact no real arcing will take place.... the magnetic fields generated when a current is passing between to metals draws them together ... this is very evident with new welding rods on a stick welder... you can feel the magnetic pull when welding...
without your hand there to keep the electrode separated from the welding surface the rod would just stick to the metal.
.... trying to do this with a piece of Romax 10/2 wire is going to be a JOKE !
... its like I'll need to drag the wire across the other wire in order to get sparks/arcs.
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do any of you guys have any suggestions on how I can get a Arc to take place inside a water filled container ? 
 the more I think on it the more it is sounding very unlikely....
 perhaps if I just put "steam" in a coffee can and then plug in the wires ?
... maybe that would do it ?
perhaps the water mist would be enough to create the arc ?
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hummmmm.
still thinking !
...in a few days all heck is going to break loose on the Ranch here ! its supposed to be sunny and warm by Friday ! WOOOO HOOOOO !
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Bob.......





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[randy]

yep, didn't figure you'd get an arc from just plane old 110 ac. need one of those Jacobs ladder thingies, then you'd get your boom or electrocuted, either way somethings gonna happen, miserable rain here, wussed out on fishin.

[Bob]

Cheer Up Randy better weather is supposed to be here this coming week ! WOOO HOOO!
but it's been raining all morning here !
I had to get out of the house went out there and cut some small hunks of wood for My Kids wood stove... and then decided to see if I could use the circular saw blade sharpener to sharpen the chainsaw chain.... got close to making it work but I gave up, went ahead and installed a new chain on the saw instead ! HAHAHHAHA
... I took an electric motor apart  and lubed the bearings real good , it was very stiff... anyway plugged it in and got NOTHING! its like the wire to the armature is broken/burnt in half.... I'll pop it apart later and see if I can find the problem because that motor is one from my pellet stove and they cost over $189.00 each.... about double what it should cost even if the people were doubling their money on it! ...  It's rediculess the way business owners are gouging people anymore !  I didn't do that when I was in business for myself.... I don't see how people can sleep at night... I guess they don't have any conscience at all !
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Anyway about the test, 110vac will carry an arc for a while till the electrodes melt away making the gap too wide for the arc to start again... but you have to get the arc started in order to do it.
 just like arc welding but on a much lower scale so its very hard to do !
 turning down the stick welder to its lowest setting and using the smallest rod you can get is very hard to weld with....... I checked the amps on my arc welder when in DC mode and it was right at 30 amps.... one click up was near 50~60amps (pegging my meter! or close to it)...
so if you had a 30 amp breaker on the 110vac line you should be able to strike an arc and hold it
as the voltage on my Arc welder is only 90vdc... but the amps can go up to 295amps
I've never tried to arc weld with straight line voltage but I've herd it can be done in emergencies
... you'll be popping the circuit breaker all the time and trying to burn the house down by over heating the wiring....but supposedly it can be done ! LOL
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 every time you amplify voltage by a Transformer you lower its Amperage.  but its the Amperage that does the electrolysis... not the voltage...  I suppose with enough of both , amps and volts it would work as well, like Bob Boyce's 110vdc cell that uses relatively low amperage.
 but getting an Arc Reactor to work would take both ... High voltage and High amperage... and to be quite frank I don't know HOW to get that combination of power... its definitely deadly stuff to play with... but with the proper precautions a small ARC Reactor should be able to be made.
 a simple 30 amp Arc Reactor should produce all the HHO one would need to feed a large V-8 engine
but the problem would be keeping the ARC going at that amperage because it would melt the electrodes
perhaps a pulsing arc one that would go  Zap, Zap, Zap  might allow the electrodes to cool enough to continue to operate...even if it meant  a reduced HHO output...
... A Automotive coil makes High voltage to the tune of around 10,000volts but drops the amperage to Milli-amps.... if we could combine the normal amps of the battery with the High voltage of a coil you'd have a workable electricity to run a Arc Reactor... perhaps you could add the Normal DC voltage to the Coil's high voltage by use of Diodes.... sort of piggy back them together ?
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 there has to be a way to make an Arc Reactor that we can use... out'a junk ! I just know there is ! but it keeps alluding me ! LOL
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Bob......

[randy]

Hahahahaha, yer talking to the right guy, the field assy and armature is the same unit used on stove hood fans and bathroom fans, swapped out quite a few of them, just take the motor with you to Lowes or home depot, once the armature locks up it fry's the windings, you'll pick one up for $15 or $20 you only need the iron pile with windings part. lol, repack the reduction gears with fresh grease.

[Bob]

its bigger than that ....probably 1/4hp 110vac thermal protected... got it loosened up but hooking power to it produced Nuttin at all.... I expect the windings are fried, like you say.
 good little motor though build nice and sturdy....it has 4 spring clips on the end plate holding the motor together... never ran into one with clips before hehehehhe... its about the diamater of a "Bushes Baked Beans" can!  say 3" in diam.
....this pellet stove has 3 motors in it... 2 of these motors are fans/squirrel cage blowers, (that's what this one was on) the other is a Augger to feed the pellets into the fire... after years of fighting that stupid pellet stove I finally discovered that you can't tighten the mount for the motor down snug.... it has to be loose or it will jam up within 5 minutes of operation !
... I discovered that out of desperation, I just knew the motor was too weak to do its job but that's not the case , it was designed to be LOOSE so it doesn't have to cut the pellets , just move them !
 when a pellet gets between the augger and feed tube it will move the entire motor and Augger sideways
and just keep on going... with it tightened down it will try to cut the pellet in half by shearing it ... and that takes more power than the little motor can put out! LOL
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( the owners manual does not say anything about leaving it LOOSE !)
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   I was thinking of an ARC starter mechinisum that you could  put in a container.
to start an arc reactor.  a simple belcrank/lever that moved the spring steel electrode to touch the other electrode momentarially is all it would take ...as long as you had enough power.
but the problem is the electrodes will melt.... and if you used pulsed power you'ed have to start it each time,... I suppose a slow turning motor could be used to both pulse the power and hit the "striker" each time... but that is a great deal of complicated stuff and many places to fail in use.
.... but it may be the only way to make a SMALL Arc Reactor.
 perhaps a Rotissery motor with a multi cam lobe on it to fire the Pulses and move the Striker.
....
 I think you'ed still need Tunston electrodes but they should last along time ! unlike on a Large Arc reactor where their life can be counted in minutes.
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still ... its more complicated than I want.  if you could keep it Running because of the lower amperage that would make it allot easier to construct... just a slap button to start it and it would take off.... a glass rod or small PVC pipe, would keep you insulated from the high voltage.
...  but you could even make that part automated if you felt so inclined.
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 I guess the only way I'll know is to do some experiments using 110vac and 220vac
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 My welder plugs into 220vac... but only uses around 90v when welding, that's because the hudge transformer is wound to reduce voltage and increase Amperage....instead of stepping up the voltage it actually steps it down.
  we could do the same thing by taking a 4:1 transformer and hooking the thing up in reverse
but I doubt the windings could handle the AMPS... <GRIN>
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 with a 220vac inverter (about $2,000) a arc welder (another $250) you'd have the starts of a small Arc reactor.... but the problem is the 220 vac Inverter could not handle the AMPS needed... one that could handle the amps would set you back $5000, to $8,000  and that is just planely out of the question.
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so why not use the Alternator as a welder?  people have been doing that for decades an alternator hooked up right can indeed weld light metal with the STICK method.
... pipe the Juice from the Modified Alternator to your Arc reactor box , start the truck on gasoline , smack the striker ...and then switch over to HHO ....depending on the Electrode life that might work just fine !
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just some thoughts...
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Bob...

 

[randy]

Ok, get some high amperage diodes, rectify 110v ac, send that power into one of those large capacitors that's in an old tv set, set the electrodes 1" apart, big bright fat arc, it will fire as fast as the cap recharges which is so fast it will appear as a continuous arc, I've been zapped several times by on of those caps, seen about a 4" arc jump to my hand, wobbly knees for a while after that, pretty much the same as a jacobs ladder.

[Bob]

umm ok
 Yah I been zapped by a few capasitors in my time as well... those large capisitors are hard to find any more... but you can make your own by making a "Lidance jar" they will hold a huge amount of charge!
....
sense the sun was out when I got up this morning for the first time in at least a MONTH... i went out to the shed and started playing around with a Dr.Pepper bottle and rain water....
 I put a 110vac electric cord from an old defunkt drill and stripped the ends so they were simple contacts.... drilled a hole in the pop bottle lid and pushed the round cord through it ans then taped the end wires so they would be close together... about 1/16" apart....
 I screwed in the cap which the bottle was full of rain water all the wat to the top minus about 1"
... then I plugged in the cord to 110vac house current.... and un plugged it just as fast...
nothing happened at all... i did that about 5 times and then realised its not going to do anything
and pluged it in and left it.... it did absoultly NOTHING!
so I went into the house and got a salt container... came back out and put about 4 table spoons of salt into the rain water in the bottle... plugged it in real fast and un plugged it just as fast
 it sizzled and you could hear the 60cycles per sec hum of the AC... and bubbles came to the surface of the water and  green goo started forming in a cloud around the wires.
 I plugged it in and watched and it sizzled real good making a good stream of bubbles indeed...
I'd estimate about 1/4 to 1/2LPM with just the bare wire tips !
...  i then took it apart and bent the wires so that they were parallel to one another and inspected them to see if they looked burnt... they actually looked the same as I left them , even though I did notice a glow and slight flash every once in a while....  the water at the top of the bottle was getting quite warm by now.
... I arranged the wires to be about 1/16" to 1/8" apart ..parallel to each other and put it back in the bottle sticking the wire down deeper  past the green cloud so I could watch it and plugged it back in ... the streem of bubbles was considerable the sound like a transformer under load (60 cycles per sec buzz) and the wires started to glow slightly... they made so much green goo around them so fast that I didn't get to watch them for long... they were obscured in the greenish brown cloud !
 I let it run for a second or two like that and the bottle Moved and I un plugged it.... it was developing a considerable pressure inside the bottle LOL
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  I want to see if the arc will continue long enough to ignite the HHO gas if I roll the bottle so the wires come out of the water... but discression won out over couriousity as I didn't want the thing to blow up in my face ! HAHAHAHAHAHAH
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  I am quite suprized at How much HHO was produced doing that ! I figured with little to no plate area at all ( 1/2" of bared wire on each wire!)  that there would be almost no HHO being produced by electrolisys... WRONG !  the production was quite good... more than I saw out of my recent cell!
... I can't help but wonder what that cell would do pluged in directly to 110vac now and adjust the electrolyte to barely have any electrolyte in it.... or just a small amount of continuity.
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 all this time I have alwayse woundered what cells would do if we gave them Unlimited amperage....
and then I discovered that that was impossable due to the inability of the electrolyte to reach much more than 40 amps ....
...  perhaps the way to High LPM output is using an INVERTER and LEAVE it AC.... because from what I saw it works very very well....
  ...
 try it Randy ! take 2 washers and hook wires to a extension cord and place them side by side in a vat ... plug it in and slowly add Lemmon aid !!!!!  you may be really suprised at how much output you get ! .... I was with just the wire ends !
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 I might try an old Randy cell hooked to 110vac.... LOL that should blow my circuit breakers UH !
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 for you others out there ..."Don't try this at HOME! we are what you call experts!"
LOL
Bob....


 

[randy]

Experts my azz, lol every time I build a new cell it does something completely unexpected, I'm going to just stick with what I have right now, safer that way, this new cell is really effected by temperature, been colder here lately, cell has been starting up at around 10 amps, although it could be that the electrolyte has just finally gotten fully mixed, this one runs really cool though, 120 miles on it and haven't had to add any water yet. gotta get ready for work.

[Bob]

LOL I say that every time the mythbusters say that ! LOL
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have you ever got a LPM reading from that cell yet ?
 or did ya think " well it bubbles.... that's close enough !"  HAHAHAHAHA!
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there may well be something to this Frequancy pulsing thing... got to thinking that all I had in the water was 2 wires... no plates at all and it put out a good amount of bubbles ! that may be because of the 60 cycles per second pulses more than anything... because there simply is no plate area at all and it puts out HHO.... what will happen when I give it plate area ?
  60 cycles per second is not high frequency by any means in fact its closer to the ELF band than anything (Extremely Low Frequency) where frequencies are calculated in cycles per second instead of hundreds or thousands of cycles per second... this is actually closer to the resonant frequency of many natural things.... at 7hz you'll find that it is the resonant frequency of a Chickens brain cavity ! and there are many more things like grasshoppers Flop over dead and such things.
 as far as I know water's resonant frequency is low in the ELF band but according to others in the Hydroxy field its up in the Mega HZ range... which seams kind of weird to me that's RF frequencies
or Radio Frequencies which is very odd for Natural substances  the Sun 's main frequency is around 4~7hz and comprises of a very WIDE band all the way from KHZ down to 1hz but its strongest around 4~7hz.
every Molecule has its own Resonant frequency... matching a pulse of electricity or even a push or smack with a hammer at that frequency will break apart that molecule fairly easy  Far more easy than without it... so it stands to reason that Pulsed Electricity would make Electrolysis work far better!
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the problem is what is the Resonant frequency of a water Molecule ? 
... guess I'll try to find it on Wiki !
... catch'a later and don't work too hard !

...
Bob...

[Bob]

I read the web last night till my eyes were burning so I gave up
I could not find anything on the Resonant frequency of a water molecule... Found just about everything else on Wiki about water however... but not the resonant frequency !
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 I got to thinking about what I observed going on in that Dr.Pepper bottle the other day when I had the wire plugged into 110vac.
 I had the wires seperated about 1/16" BUT that does not mean they didn't pull together when the power was turned on... heck they could be stuck together right now for all I know.
... but I don't think they did and I haven't pulled the wires out to check.
I'm thinking that the electrolyte may well have been enough to cause an electron path through the gap
making a very tiny arc... but I don't think that is what happened
for all intents and purposes it just sat there and sizzled humming the 60 hz hum and producing bubbles
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 I don't think the wires came in contact with each other or it would have blown the circuit breaker because that is a direct short.
 all I succeded in doing was making a very small Hydroxy generator... using 110vac.
the amperage was probably fairly high but not high enough to trip the breaker so it was below 30 amps.
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what supprised me was the amount of bubbles coming off the 2 wires... and I can't help but think what would happen if I plugged my cell I made out of wall switch plate covers  into 110vac !
I adjusted the Koolaid to about 21amps before I tested the LPM reading and got about 1/4LPM
... I wonder what will happen if I plug the 110vac onto the terminals of that cell and see what that does !
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 from what I saw the other day I should get a HUGE amount of HHO from it... how much I have no idea
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I think I'll take the cell and bucket into the shed and give it a try!
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 I mean after all, I could run my inverter to power the cell if it means I get a bunch of HHO !
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
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Bob.....

 

[Brad4321]

From the reading I did with the frequency, I don't remember for sure, but I think it was around 40.

Anything we do on 12v, we can do on 110 (or 220!) better. More voltage is more voltage "push", which could in turn mean less amps used. Higher volts is nearly always more efficient. In my previous thoughts of making a home based HHO system for bottling, this was my idea. Run on 220. I have a 60 amp plug in my garage, but you could always use your drier outlet. Build a cell off the same idea as 12v to run. I am just going to guess, but I bet we could at least triple if not quadruple our output per amp using 220.

As far as using an inverter for using this technique on our 12v cars, that is getting a bit sketchy. It is hard to find an inverter that has a lot of capacity, but you must also deal with inverter efficiency, which isn't very high. If we hooked up a cell to 110/220 and seen the increase, it could be judged on whether running an inverter is a good idea or not.

[Bob]

yes good point !
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I think I'll go try to plug my cell into 110vac and see what it does !
... I bet the output will be almost triple....
I guess we'll see ! LOL
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Bob.......

[Manta]

Just read the above.

Question,  How do you know that it won;t simply be steam generated by any arc that is blowing off the top.

Here is a variation.

Get your electric welder.
Make up a couple of electrodes and place them through an insulated top; spacing them about 1/8" apart at the bottom.

Use a very thin bit of fuse wire to short the ends together (to get the arc started).

Add water until it is just above the short.

Offer a prayer to which ever God you support;  (either for success or survival,  depends on the result) and switch on the welder.

Should be fun,  but it still won't answer the question of was it exploding gas or steam that did it.



Dave,
(Manta)

[Bob]

humm you might have something there Manta !
 I might give that a try ...
 i like the idea of a "fuseable" link to start the arc... thats a good quick method  and SHOULD WORK
but hard to say if it will or not ! LOL
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I've seen my arc welder hold a arc over 1" long on its high setting on AC...
on DC its about 3/4 to 1/2" at max
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so should I use DC instead of AC ?   or would it matter on a Arc Reactor ?
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it would be very strange if I could generate enough HHO by using my Arc welder !  then all I'd need is an inverter large enough to run the 220vac 30amp Arc welder and toss it all in the back of the truck !.... but those 220vac inverters cost THOUSANDS! last one I saw was 5000watt and $6000 bucks!
LOL


Bob.....

[Manta]

Bob,

Thing is,  it would burn any hho as fast as it made it. Hence it would maybe make a firecracker but be of no use for general hho production.

But here is a variation.

As you probably know,  many Diesel engines use a pre combustion chamber to ignite the fuel.  It then expands into the cylinder bore.
What if you could arrange for a very fine pulsed spray of water into the chamber  then ignite it using the compression and a very high tension spark (Maybe a multi point spark plug).
I'm wondering if the compression would be enough to turn the (very small) quantity of water spray into a atate where the spark would cause it to ignite.

Probably wouldnt work;  just a thought.

Dave
(Manta)

[Bob]

LOL I simply do NOT know !

 I would think that you could make a spray fine enough to break the molecules apart  just because of the pressure and spray.....  but to get EVERY water molecule in the spray to convert to gas would take an act of God not pressure! ...
seams to me that water is used to PUT out fires not start them... and I have thrown a bucket of water on a Huge bon fire before and seen the reaction... it almost explodes it expands so fast into steam...
...so perhaps we don't need to go any further than just changing the waters "STATE".... from liquid to gas....there is a great deal of force there !
....
perhaps that is what is being done in the Kids water-car.... perhaps its not exploding a all....just flashing to steam and running out the exhaust pipe....?

Gasoline expands something like 900 times when ignited (as a fuel/air mix)
I don't know How much water will expand to but it is a very large volume...
if its anywhere around 800~900 times  that kid might not even know the difference from flashing the water to steam and burning it as HHO... <GRIN>
... it would make some sense on a few details as well.... the need to heat the water, get it closer to the point of changing into steam.... rusting in the header pipes..... that shouldn't happen if its Burned HHO  but Should if its just STEAM !
...also our experiments show that an arc is not created by just using 120vac on a spark plug...
but it might if a mist is sprayed on it!....


...
 I'm thinking that the HP would be Reduced to about 50% of normal.... because of the lack of detonation.... but the force of changing the state of water from liquid to gas pushing the piston down
could in theory run an engine fairly well...
 it would generate heat because steam is HOT
....
hummm I wonder IF I can do that on a 3.5hp  B&S ?    
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if my suspicions are correct , that kid didn't burn the water , he made a steam engine is all !
LOL
 

HAY ! one way to test this theory is to plug in a spark-plug into 120vac and sprey the electrode with a water spray !..... if it arcs that's the flashing into steam !
.... now is that theory correct ?





Bob...

[Bob]

Manta I started this thread to get other view points on that Kids claim that all he did was put 120vac from an inverter to his spark-plugs and then open up the jets in the carb and put water in the tank... ( my shortened version of what he did)
he claimed it worked and ran good... I don't see how it could but it would be a wonderful thing if it was just that simple !
 I'm now thinking that perhaps instead of turning the water into a gas and then igniting it...
he may have made a simple steam engine out of his car....
 I dunno how much electrical energy it would take to flash water mist into steam but I'm thinking enough to curl your hair! <grin>
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what do you think Manta is this even possable ?
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Bob......