Inductive Clamp use?

[Too Many Secrets]

I was looking at a timing light the other day...

So long story shorter, could the inductive clamp be used as a sort of PWM? If the HHO Gen was only powered when say the #1 plug was firing it would greatly reduce run time and temps. It would also increase/decrease generation with rpms.

I don't know how to wire this up so as to try, but then again, I'm just thinking out loud.

...now where's that rock of mine again...

[Bob]

Sure...that or Hook a small Reed relay to the trigger coil on the distributor and use it to trigger a larger relay to fireup the cell....or better yet a Transistor switch so there are no moveing parts!
( heat sinked of corse) ....
that way the RPM will dictate the LPM output....
but the problem with that idea is the RPM is not a good indicator of the LOAD on the engine....
you need to go with the throttle position that is a better indicator of the work being done!
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Bob........

[randy]

hmmmm 120 amps pulsed by engine rpm"s that's got me thinking "gotta be careful I don't hurt myself"

[Bob]

thats Ok Randy if ya do "think" and make a fool of yourself, you can rest assured I'll out do ya on that ! HAHAHAHHAHAHHA
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When's Elk season Randy ? I'm supprized your HOME !  HAHAHAHHA
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Bob.....

[randy]

season open again just before thanksgiving, been working a lot lately, manage a few hours of free time daily though, not enough time to get anything done though. hahahaha

[Bob]

Boy I hear that !
I'm trying to make a trip to the Ranch takeing a Truck load each day...but its not quite working out that way.... I'm running out'a steam to do it... you know the spirt is willing but the flesh is weak !
HAHAHAHHAHA too pooped to pop ! that sort'a thing lately !
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the idea of makeing the Hydroxy production Sincronized with the engine RPM isn't a bad one but I think
we'ed wind up comeing up short in the deal.... I cruse at 2500rpm most of the time in my Toyota
and that RPM is where I need all my Hydtoxy gas ...some times and sometimes I barely need any at all
thats why I'm saying the engine RPM probly isn't the best controler for the production....
where the Throttle position IS a very good indicator of the volume needed.... but that would probly take a pair of PWM  to do properly... or raft of relays and a mile of wire! and a 15 position rotory switch hooked to the throttle mechnisum.... just turn on more cells as the throttle opens
....but that just seams bulky and clumbersum.... there has to be a better way than that !
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Bob........

[randy]

I toyed with that idea, there'd be a lag from the time you turned on another cell, the gas has to make it through the bubbler or in my case bubblers before the engine gets the gas, the only cure I can think of is a pressurized system but I refuse to drive a bomb, so for me it's out of the question.

[Cowboy]

that's a pretty good idea Secrets.  Use the clamp to trigger a relay to power the gen.  Get a relay like the one I picked up from power-io.com  They're pricey, but so far I'm completely satisfied.  The reason to use a solid state relay is it's cycle time.  The relay's there can keep up with your engine RPM w/o trying.  I don't know of any mechanical relay's that can say the same.

[ROADKING]

OK have cell working and works well but my koh seems to break down after ad day of use, I am running it thru a the bubbler that I have put wood alcohol in and then into the the air breather.  Do you think the alcohol in the bubbler is what is breaking the koh down.  thanks for input on this.

[Too Many Secrets]

that's a pretty good idea Secrets.  Use the clamp to trigger a relay to power the gen.  Get a relay like the one I picked up from power-io.com  They're pricey, but so far I'm completely satisfied.  The reason to use a solid state relay is it's cycle time.  The relay's there can keep up with your engine RPM w/o trying.  I don't know of any mechanical relay's that can say the same.

Thanks all for the encouragement. I don't think I can take this idea any further as I don't have the parts or expertise to do so.

Roadking, you might think about starting a topic about your situation. You might get more help.

[Bob]

Roadking:
I have the problem of My KOH turning coffee brown ... is that what yours is doing ?
when it does that it coats the plates and then production drops soon production will be at a minimum
and so will the MPG...
I cleaned the cell with Muratic Acid and the production came right back but the KOH turned coffee brown in one trip to town again so I switched to Koolaid and its been fine sense !
... I don't know what causes the KOH discoloration but I think its the heat from the plates !
at least Lemonaid doesn't do that ! ...
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Bob.......

[KF-Puffin1]

As for serets idea.....It may work if you use the 5 volt refrence along with the signal wire from the camshaft sensor or the crankshaft sensor to a solid state relay. or even better on your newer cars use the engine speed sensor signal wire/s as a type of potentiometer.to send a refrence signal to a larger current potentiometer/or transformer<---- that aint right........... then out to the hydroxy cells

[Bob]

Usually a triggering signal is fairly low in voltage 0 -5vdc on the avrage, but in cars sometimes they use higher voltages sense the car runs on 12vdc...
 You can use a 2N2222 NPN transistor as a switching transistor by putting the input signal to the base and it makes continuity between the collector and the emitter , this is a dandy method of utilizing a signal without loading it down as the  base voltage does nothing but change the continuity of the transistor's other 2 legs... then you can use that SWITCH, to turn on a bigger switch...in much the same manor but able to handle more amperage.... that gives you the basic control there.
then you need to do something with it, like turn on the cell for a  period of time.
a transyster of Hudge amp raiting use as a simple switching transister. could solve the problem
and turn on the cell every time a signal comes from the signal sorce....
However its duration would be as short as the trigger signal , and I doubt that would do much. as its undoubtly a very short length signal....
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so we can use the signal easy... but what does it need to do
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Mind went blank ! DUH !
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Bob.........

[hydrotinkerer]

From what little I know about pwm's I think it might be easier to modify one for something like what your talking about. Maybe?

[randy]

could just use it to power a heavy duty type relay, so that as engine speed increases so does the frequency of the pulses from the relay. for that matter you could possibly have one connected to each spark plug wire for higher output.