Suppression of alternative energy research still very active.

[janmarsh]

I can still recall the names Fleischmann and Pons hitting the main news all those years ago with their Cold Fusion Technology.

It was very quickly followed by accusations of fraud by Hot Fusion Scientists & the two guys were never heard of again on mainstream media.

Turns out they were genuine.    

                                                                    http://www.naturalnews.com/025925_cold_fusion_NaturalNews_coal.html          

[Bob]

interesting indeed !
I'ed like to see it explained on how it works... sounds neet !
{Bob stands on his Soap box.}
... however I still have my doubts, not because the Hot fusion crowd says it can't be done, but from what I understand it, is breaking the weak nuclear force and not the strong nuclear force... or something like that... I just don't have enough information to make a judgment on it.... but I hope it works...
 as far as suppression goes , that's the American way ! Unfortunately ! makes me ashamed to be a part of it ! big companies pour big money into Killing Competition... its sound business principals that have been done sense the beginning of civilization.... and our country does not stop it... in fact it encourages it, by giving the biggest company the biggest tax cuts and dividends, the mom and pop stores don't get this kind of treatment ! you have to be really big to get the help of the government !
... why does our government condone this stuff ? God only knows ! because its not right!
 the only thing I can figure is that it is "IN our Governments BEST Interest" to butter the bread of the big companies.... right or wrong by moral standards.
  suppression can really be seen easily if you look at the Automotive industry and gas companies, its so thick there you can shovel it !... things like buying up patents and setting on them and doing nothing with them at all... there is more than one way to suppress ideas.
...
 Cold fusion is not my forte, I know next to nothing about it, but another way of creating heat from a safe scorce is a good thing !!!!
... but the electric companies will buy up the patent and put it in storage  till they deam its time to use it...  don't expect it to LOWER your ELECTRIC BILL !  that just won't happen unless some body goes Rogue and does it by them selves, and they will invite a war !
... after all... its the American way !   
its called the GFA SYNDROME...   "Greedy F****** Americans"
 (and it makes me sad to be a part of it!)
its no wonder we are hated by many other countries... we do things on a day to day basis that shouldn't be done... we even teach out Kids how to be successful in business by stomping on the little guy.....and how to derive pleasure from it.... you have to be taught that, because the Natural thing to do is Help your neighbor , not hurt him more... do we do that ?
 I don't know where the country is headed but unless people start doing the RIGHT thing in every day life, we are headed to hell in a hand basket !
...
that's my 2 coppers !
... thanks for the Post Janmarsh !
...
Bob.....


 

[Manta]

Janmarsh,

Do you recall the tv program 'Heretics' ?  Pons and Fleischmann were portrayed on it. I do recall there was a scandalous case of data rigging involved.
I still occasionally pull out the tape and re-view it.

Manta

[janmarsh]

Dave, I do recall a program from back then that covered Prof. Salters "Duck", one of the first wave powered generators.  The performance results were tampered with by a pro nuclear group it turned out.  

[Manta]

Re Salter's Ducks.

I remember that well.  If I'm correct he has a newer 'Snake' version that seems to be quite good.

I actually believe that we need to tackle the problem of power from the other end. More effort into conserving what we have and better use of it.  Problem is there are always people that advocate using every Watt we can produce.  Often for very frivolous reasons.

Manta Dave.

[Bob]

Henry Moray came up with what is termed now "Free energy" or "Spacic energy"
and being an Antenna buff from the Ham Radio circles I understand the principals and believe the concept is a good one.... He published a book but it is lost in obscurity now , although I found out that his son is selling it ( re-prints)  the idea is to make a Antenna that resonates with the planet
and in so doing you get amplification by Resonance and a great deal of energy is obtained
...the parts are so simple that it was first made way back in the 1920's where Henry powered his homestead entirely on this device....with power to spare !
... My experiments on this area have been sorely limited, but still believe it will work
the idea is sound.... it just hasn't been developed, because how can you charge people if they collect their own electricity ?  you can't.... so commercial applications are nill... making it only a Layman's application... and the powers that be in the electricity producing business have said that Spacic Energy is a farce, sense the beginning....  after all if you make one you will stop buying theirs !.... NASA Proved the idea when they stretched the wire from the Space shuttle that worked so well it MELTED.....
.... all it takes is a LONG wire guys !
... a resonating coil
    2 diodes ( if memory serves)
....and a attachment point for a plug in !
and you will have a huge flow of electrons.... what you do with it from there is your problem
 you can have DC or AC and have a crystle as an oscilation circuit to make signwave  ...
 ....
I'm convinced it will work... because the idea is just like that of an Antenna
an antenna tuned to a certain frequancy....
  ....
so there are better ways than what is being used out there today
...
Bob......

[WyndFryst]

Didn't Nikola Tesla work on almost the same thing?

[Bob]

I dunno... possably
...
the interesting thing about the theory of it all, is that it could indeed work !
the problem is one wavelength of it is 24,000 MILES long..... that is the diam of the planet.
so to resonate with it you need a 24,000 mile long wire/antenna.... OR the equivelant in a coil and a very long wire....
 I have resonated long wire antennas on very very low frequancies but never that low...that takes special coils and something that can tell you what frequancy you are actually at at that low of a freq.
normal ham stuff don't go anywhere near that freq...
.....
the theory goes.... the sun rings like a bell... it has been sense day one.... our scientists attest to that.... sense the sun is ringing like a bell the rest of the planets ring in simpithy with it...
even through the vacuum of space...this is even observable in the planets orbits.... their separation is not by a mere roll of the dice but they are actually in a harmonic of the wavelength that the sun is ringing at.... Now if you resonate a wire at that same frequency that the sun is ringing at , you will get a "amplification of Resonance" and that shows up as a Peek on an oscilloscope or a dip in a grid-dip meter.... that is energy.... and it would work 24-7 day or night
because the sun always rings.... in theory, this power can be amplified to any amount needed
just by Amplification by resonance or by using electronic circuity... its frequency could be changed to make household current and all that, very easily
... through my research, I have found that there is a definite peek at 4~7 hz in the Suns output
so if you resonate a long wire on say 7hz with a LOW LOSS circuit...( big thick coil )
a long wire attached to that coil and a great earth ground like a well casing (which would be ideal)
you can resonate that wire with the Sun..... that's all well and good I can do that much ... but then what? how do you get the power that is resonating in that circuit ?  the only way I can think of is another coil as a transformer.... around the original one.... you then can step up the voltage or down ...to suit your needs... however the amount of Amperage the curcuit could handle depends upon the size of the conductor.... in this case bigger is better.
....
but that's about as far as I have gotten with the idea....
feel free to take these ideas and change the world if you desire <grin>
 but remember the electric companies don't like competition....!
being too noisy about it may be hard on your health!
....
Bob.......

[Manta]

It's going to be one hell of a long wire at 7 Hz.

When I was a radio operator in the army we used dipoles a lot. I particularly recall the sparks that used to occur across the end of the co-ax in-feed cable if it was left disconnected  from the set during the approach of a thunderstorm.

Manta

[Bob]

yah been there saw that too !
surely there is no way to get a wire long enough for anything below 100hz thats why you need the large coil with High Q to make it a resonating  circuit.  I made an inverted "L" on 80 meters but it was way short of the length needed to make it resonate, so I loaded it with a coil at the bottom and I could get it right at the freq. I wanted (CW on 80 meters is where I hung out for decades)
the same idea for capturing "Spaciac Energy" can be used... a long wire say a mile or two ...like the top wire of an electric fence that covers 80 acers or something like a telegraph wire that Henery Moray used......and then use 1/4" or 3/8" copper tubing to make your coil out of and then tune it to resonance
... you'll know your at resonance when the sparks fly ! LOL so its a good idea to put a VTOM on it before you start "Tuning it in".
  Henery Moray supposidly used his to power his entire home stead... barn and house and workshop...
this was in his later years when he settled down... his unit did burn out a few times, and he was alwayse complaining about not being able to get accurate enough chrystals... so that leads me to assume that he used a simple col-pits oscillator... (i think is its name... the simplest oscilator you can make with a crystal.( a diode, a crystal and a capisitor and a coil...))
this gave him altenating current enough to light light bulbs and run small motors and such...
but I have no idea of the freq. he used or, if that is indeed what he did.
....
Once you have the long wire and coil and its resonated with the planet the power is ON.... and available  but what it is exactly I have no idea... it could be 7hz AC or maybe even DC... I have no idea....  but I know from my own experience with antennas that you can hang a wire out there and collect electricity.... I ran a 250' plus wire out one time and hooked the thing to my antenna tuner and it was a fantastic listening antenna... one day I put the VTOM on it and I had voltage on it....
about 75 volts if I remember correctly... I noticed it because it shocked me when I disconnected it !
so I put the meter on it and sure enough there was voltage.... if you blead it off to ground it took a few minutes to get back up to the same charge so it wasn't instintanious!
... a long wire like that is a big capasitor in reality and it can store electric power... thats why most hams have coaxial SHUNTS to ground! ....
but with the same idea in mind why not collect the power you need instead of buying it from PG&E ?
heheheheh
 Bob.......



 

[Manta]

The problem is,  you can get volts out of the air,  but not amps. As soon as you start to add a load the voltage just drops away.

Manta

[Bob]

Thats where a really LONG wire and heavy construction of the coil and parts come in at don't it ?
 cuz your right.... volts but no amps is the major problem...
...
 think of it like the fella in Passodena, CA. did ... PG&E ran High power transmition lines next to his house.... he thought he could collect some of that excess power that was radiating all over the place
... so he built an appratious in his garadge and it worked very well not overly powerfull, but
it was on 24/7 and made up for it in the long run... .
 PG&E got wind of it and took him to court for stealing electricity... the court decided sense he didn't run a line up to the power lines he wasn't bothering PG&E at all and sense the doo-hickey he made was on his property in his airspace.... they decided in the mans favor... PG&E lost on that one.
... (PG&E also had the nerve to try and talk me out of using my Water wheel in SHingletown to produce electricity... the guy said PG&E had all the rights to the water ... I said Not to this property buddy!
he said well I dunno for sure if this one had the water rights purchased or not but if so we'll see you in court! ...
.... never saw him again! )
......
  if you think about it its way past ridiculous trying to intimidate people into not using the flowing water to generate electricity for their own use.... Yet PG&E tried to Buffalo me into taking my water wheel out of the creek !... WHY ?  Simple GREED... its not like it would hurt them financially !
its more like they don't want others to get any bright ideas... that may cost them allot if 500 other households along that creek turned off PG&E and made their own electricity!
  "Nip it in the BUD" is the Game PG&E plays... it makes good business sense to them.
...
...
Long transmittion lines have been collecting the suns power for ages... the 1989 blackout of Ontario Canada and the eastern seaboard was because of the same Phenomenon ...solar flairs make the normally controlled power exceptionally high. burning out key components causing the collapse of the entire grid.
  Why the electricity companies do not try to use this power is beyond me !... instead they shunt it to ground ! ... if they were smart they could collect it and get about 1/2 to 3/4 of the need they have for free ! .... their idiots !
... any company where the "Bean-counters" control the business you're going to have obvious OVERSIGHTS like that ! ... <grin>
...
Bob...

[Feral]

if they were smart they could collect it and get about 1/2 to 3/4 of the need they have for free ! .... their idiots !

While basically baseless I suspect the decision had more to do with a quick inexpensive fix rather than a large investment. I.e. the cheap fast rout was the apparent best solution and no one has cared since. It would cost money to change it now, after all.

But as I said baseless suspicion but not wholly unintelligent. At least, I hope, heh.

[Bob]

Indeed that's probably the case !
it would take a complete RE think of their power grid... and that means lots of money just for them to THINK ABOUT IT ! LOL !
every pole would have to be changed that has a shunt to ground.... thats about every 3rd telephone pole.... and you know that would cost billions ! ... but if they started small and worked up to it they could have the entire grid re fit in 100 years just by not putting in the outdated shunts and regulating the power better at the substations....
  because just stringing a long wire collects electricity.... that's a given... but instead of using that... they throw it away... seams silly to me !
and as vast as the wire system is accross this country.... I amagen that most of the power requirements of the entire country could be met, if people cut back on their use some.
that however will take a good 200 more years to come into being.... change in Old minds comes slowly
and everyone "at the top" in the power companies are at retirement age... and they will resist change because of it!
...
oh well.
 not all old people are smart ! LOL !
...
Bob.......