it's Sure quiet around here lately!

[Bob]

Man the Silence here is deafening! LOL
hasn't anyone done anything lately in the HHO field ?
 I haven't .... but I have a good excuse... I have 3 projects going all at once ! LOL
...
and I'm making good progress on my Wood gasifier !
is anyone making new cells ?
...
Bob

[Manta]

Maybe it's too cold for people to go in their workshops,  -10 C here last night.
Or maybe people are finding that hydroxy isn't living up to expectations. Too much trouble for the gain in mpg.
What do you all think ?

Manta

[Manta]

Bob, are you using the heat from your gasifier ?

Maybe you could set up a big old single cylinder engine and run some kind of CHP system to run the ranch.

I just checked my utility bills,  and here is what I found.

We pay for our gas and electric in two stages every three month.

electric     First 118 Kw/hr is at £0.26.77 ($0.4276)  the rest at £0.1157 ($0.1785) Kw/hr

Gas          First 587 Kw/hr is at £0.075 ($0.12)        the rest at £0.358 ($0.057)  Kw/hr

Now last Sunday,  a typical week end day with the family at home all day,  I used

gas  82.2 Kw/hr  =  £5.79  =  $9.27

Elec 33.1 Kw/hr  =  £8.85  =  $14.16

     115.3 Kw/hr  =  £14.64 = $23.47


At that rate I would spend £102.48 = $163.9  per week just to keep warm .

Even when I get onto the cheaper rate it is still very bad news. And I have everything turned as low as is practical.

I understand from another guy in the US that you pay around $0.11 per Kw/Hr So you would get away with $12.68 for the same amount of power.  Bet your glad you don't live in the UK.

So I intend to get a Lister Diesel and brew my own power. Running,  naturally,  on old veg oil.

Got to beat the system somehow.

Manta

[janmarsh]

Hi Dave & Bob,
                      If I am any example of a member,  we are still here looking in every now & again.  I will be posting my work hopefully in the near future.

I,m working on a close proximity edge production cell.  What I mean by that is plate spacing down to less than .005" ( plates are ground dead flat against float glass)  with lots of holes in the plates.

It,s a variation of cell based on Randy's Mk. 1.   Each cell is contained in it's own jacket, comprises of 21 plates of 0.9mm X 90mm X 90mm 316SS, 1/4" copper posts with power supply fed from both ends.

No shim is used for plate/post contact. Instead, for contact,  the plate is reamed 1/4" & a tiny indentation made on the edge of the reamed hole to make it a slight interference fit.

Power supply  will be 1.2 volt DC

New Year Wishes to you all & lets hope we get closer to our goal in the coming year.


 

[Bob]

Manta:
 I was paying over $250.00 a month for pellets for heat alone
and almost $400 a month for electricity !... (that's with a low income discount!)
... that was on the Mountian in Shingletown.CA...
....now Down in the valley a mear 50miles away but at only 1000'asl instead of 5000'asl
I pay around $125 for electric and about $75.00 a month for pellet heat...
....
 the house quality here is far better than the cheap trailers I was in even though the house if falling apart ...LITERALLY!...
...
so I have paid my dues to the Electric companies and Heat GODS !its worse than silly around these parts.... they act as if you have $1000 bucks to pay your electricity bill in California
and in some places that would be a low bill !
....
 House insulation is the Key .... for heating and cooling... if you want lower bills.. invest in MORE insulation!
...
and NO..I am not running my gasification unit for the house heat, just a commercial pellet stove.  I am planning on putting in my home made woodstove but I havn't done it yet... it should cut my heat bill by at least Half.... its very very efficient its an air tight
stove that has 21 1.5" tubes going through its height as a massive heat exchanger...
at a wild guess I would estimate at least 500,000 btu's per hour from it on High... because I have a huge fan behind those tubes forcing the hot air out... it works better than any wood stove I've ever seen.... just burning paper in it will run you out at times! but on those cold days in the low teens and the 3ft of snow on the ground that puppy cept us warm for years!...even in a drafty house ! HAHAHAHAHA


Janmarsh:
 sounds like an interesting idea ! I hope it works out for you... remember copper degrades very fast in electrolyte.... or when exposed to electrolysis in any way.(it eats it up)
...
 if you plan on running this cell in tap water alone and no electrolyte at all  you will more than likely wind up with allot of green goo , so if so ya might switch to distilled demineralized  water in stead. personally I don't think you can draw enough amps through the plates no matter how close they are.... but I hope you prove me wrong! <GRIN>
..........
I think I will build a Bob Boyce style cell as soon as I can get these winter bills off my back... probably spring time... but I hope to get a large amount of Hydroxy gas from a single unit... if I do I will try very hard to make the truck run solely on it!
...
Bob....

[janmarsh]

Bob,  No copper makes contact with the electrolyte. Distilled water will be used  with the minimum of pure citric acid or Koolaid. An extremely weak solution may be all that is needed.

[Manta]

Bob,

Your right about the insulation.  Right now, nearly 1 pm,  The sun is blazing through the south facing window.  I really should get that solar collector finished.

Janmarsh,

It will be interesting to see if running your new cell with both ends of the plate connected is any more productive than connecting only one end.  I would expect it to be so.

I find that attaining my goals is rather like charging up a capacitor;  I never quite get to the end.

A prosperous new year to all.

Manta

[hydrotinkerer]

Been kind of quiet here. Trying to close on a house so everything I own is in storage right now. Soon as I get moved I'll start my experiments again.

[Bob]

Ahhh Good for you Hydrotinkerer ! Moving is He**  I hate it ! glad its you and not me ! LOL
...
Janmarsh:
 dunno what 90mmx90mm is but I hope its more than 3" hehehehe I agree with Manta on the powering each plate in 2 places... I Hope it makes a big difference in the output I expect the change will be small but in this game every bit counts!
  Yah Koolaid should do the trick when the plates are that close...
 what is your total surface area (counting one side of each plate) and how many amps are you planning on running on it ? sounds like a large dry cell if the copper isn't touching the electrolyte....
 I have been wondering about current leakage on dry cells because of the holes... and One guys design had 2 solid plates with the neg plate being a preferated plate in his dry cell design
I dunno how well it worked for him though... but I have a feeling that the dry cell can be cohersed into making allot more HHO than most people think... I wish you success!
...
 Manta:
 A Hot box would do wonders on that window ! ... I made one out of a 4'x8' piece of 3/4" plywood, put sides on it 6" high and then nailed in trailer house skirting strips that were about 8" wide , I just bent them in half and made a corigation out of them and painted it flat black with 2 cans of sprey paint... I topped it with hog wire and put clear plastic over the top... then put 2- 4" stove pipe holes through the wall in the back bedroom
 it worked so well in the winter time that it was scary ! I no longer had to have a fire going 24/7  I measured the heat coming out of the hot box at 125deg on a somewhat cloudy day!  ... the 2- 4" stove pipes that went through the back wall one High and one low, put out a good flow of air too... so much that I had to cap them at night !  the low one fed the bottom of the box... the top one put heat into the room....
 I did NOT restrict the flow between the bends of aluminum in any way, I was going to try and make it serpentine from the bottom up so it would get hotter... but that proved unnecessary in the end.(to do it now I'd use wide aluminum flashing from the hardware store.)
  I also made a wood burning hot water heater there... worked good and I added a coil of black PVC pipe on the flat roof as a solar water heater  that just took the chill off the water...on sunny days though you had to be careful not to burn your hands! LOL
...all that was done really cheaply and it cut the monthly gas bill to almost nothing ...
I also added a free standing fireplace, but we still used the gas furnace to maintain the temperature.... the fireplace was just added heat.... I didn't have enough wood to run it all the time !
...
 those Hot boxes really do work really WELL... even though they are quite small... they are definitely worth the effort. I will make some for this place when I can get a-round-to-it!
...
I knew a guy that made one for every room on the south side of his house.... and the below freezing to below zero temps didn't bother him at all in the winter time during the day
...they do need tight seals on the stove pipe though and a plastic coffee can lid works perfect for that.... but ya can't find them any more ! maybe a 4"PVC cap would work I dunno!
 that was in Vinton,CA. near Reno  on the "high plato" as I called it hehehehehe
...
FWIW
Bob......
 

[janmarsh]

Bob,  My idea is a 21 plate Randy Mk.1 contained in it's own jacket to keep electrolyte volume to a minimum. plates are 3 1/2" square & I have 8 different hole patterns giving 8 different plate areas. One of these areas will finally be chosen.   I am making my own moulds & casting the end covers in polyester resin.  system is going to be pumped.

Because plate edges are still open to electrolyte, it can still be considered a wet cell.  I have experimented with this plate size & have actually got plate spacing down to .0015" without shorting in a dry state. What would happen in electrolyte could be a totally different thing.

The crude sketch may give you some idea of what I mean.

[Bob]

WOW... allot of work is going into that cell indeed !
I hope it works out for ya !
I really like the big inlet and outlet holes...smart thinkin!  something you may not be aware of , Randy and I experimented on the orientation of the Randy cell and we both came up with the same conclusion that mounting the cell so the plates were vertical had the best output.
I think for very close spaced plates this is necessary.... but sense your using preferated plates, it shouldn't make any difference at all.... still i'ed like to see them mounted vertically with the inlet and outlet holes top and bottom too... but I don't know how that could be done ! hehehehehhe
  I predict a 2.5LPM at 20~25 amps.... what do I get if I'm right ? COOKIE LOL !
best of luck to ya ! should work good its hard to say...
but if the output is low try removing some plates and watch and see if the LPM comes up ...if so, keep removing plates till the output drops then put one or 2 back on.... doing this will tune the cell to the Amperage. I watched one of my test cells go from 1/4LPM output to over 1.25LPM... doing "timed bottle in the bucket tests" just by doing the plate changing.
...
 with that many plates I'd like to see 30amps or more, perhaps 40amps...but that may be hard to get!....
..
Keep after it you'll get it !
...
Bob.....

[Bob]

Janmarsh:
 I got to looking at the drawing and it might be a good idea to make the plastic around the  inlet and outlet fittings a bit thicker... to keep them from splitting when the fittings are put in... a fitting like that makes a great deal of force, and will split the plastic if its not thick enough....
just a thought.
...
Bob...

[janmarsh]

Good point Bob.  It does look reduced in the sketch.  I'm trying to figure  out how many of these I could find myself able to power & coupling them by inserting a rubber O-Ring  in each inlet & outlet............. Even more reason to make them more sturdy.

[Bob]

First things first.... make sure the cell is a viable working unit FIRST... then make more
I made that mistake before and wound up with something like 50 or 60 plates I can't use ! its aggravating! to say the least ! LOL
...
 I'm mad at myself today.... I slept to 5PM sun was going DOWN when I got up ! GRRRR !
I hate it when I do that !...that's what ya get when you go around the clock with your snoozing schedule
I've been this way all my life and its a pain in the butt most of the time! no set time can be kept to be awake.... so I try to tire myself out so I can sleep and go to bed and usually wake up in a few hours and all that does is screw up the schedule my body wants more ! LOL
 add to that chronic fatigue and you have a basket case ! LOL !
 oh well... that's what yard lights were invented for Right ? LOL
...
I'll get to that woodgas burner sometime in the next week anyway ....sigh !
too cold out there to do anything now...hehehehehe
....
maybe I'll take a few shots of whiskey and go back to bed.... that usually does the trick ! LOL !
just cancel today in the hopes of a better tomorrow eh ?
....one of those ,,,Gulp, Gulp, Gulp.... plop...  Kind of things! HAHAHAHAHA
good thing I am a light weight when it comes to booze.... 1 is usually enough to get me flying, 2 or more and I'm out of it ! LOL my wife says I'm a cheep drunk... and I tell here well thats a good thing right ? hehehehehehe
....
get that cell working good before you make a bunch of them that way you don't waste pressious time and money on a cell that Don't work.... prove it FIRST.... even if your sure its a good design... which I am.... still ya need to KNOW for sure !
good luck to ya !
....
Bob.......

[janmarsh]

Bob, The dimensions of the end cap I am producing allows a fair deal of variation in plate size.......  by design, the cell can have any number of plates while still using the same end caps so it is not all that much commitment.  The only thing the cap has determined is position of the posts to eachother.

[Bob]

yah I figured that by the shape of your drawing...its a clever move on your part you could have one 3ft long if ya wanted ! hehe.
...
well my sleeping schedual is SO messed up now I'll be lucky to see daylight in a month ! LOL
I had some wine a bit ago  and fell fast asleep.... for about an hour... now I'm wide awake at 2:00am HAHAHAHA oh well, I'll take the wife out for breakfast in the morning and stay up as long as I can to hasten the sleep schedual along... move it around the clock so-to-speak  heheheheh
...
if I could buy a pill that put me out in 30 seconds I'ed do it !  but I'ed probably become adicted to them and  they wouldn't work any more ! HAHAHAHA
... oh well.... big deal... if thats all I have to complain about I guess I'm in great shape UH ! HAHAHAHA
....

I am planning on making one of Bob Boyces cells a 61 plate, 6"x6" square plates... and powering it with my AC/DC inverter....
 my only fear is burning up the inverter....
I need to find some way to adjust it to 12vdc and then know what it will do on 120vdc...
I am thinking a Current limiter on it to prevent overloading the inverter... but not too sure about that... (or how to make one for that matter and be accurate about it!)
its supposed to put out 41 LPM at 1200watts...(I'll believe it when I see it myself!)
there is probably supposed to be a decimal point in the 41 LOL !  (if that's the case its not worth a damm !) but a few other people have made his cell now and they claim the same output (41LPM) which is a bunch of LPM !  if I get only HALF that I will be extatic ! You will hear me yelling "Yahoo!" from here!...if I get 41LPM I will order more plates and save up for another inverter and convert the wife's car and the tractor to Hydroxy gas too ! but My truck is first ! LOL
...I don't think I dare try it on the Motorcycle because of the Wimpy Alternator that's on it...
it puts out 60amps so the specks say but I have fried 3 voltage regulators on that machine already...
and I'd hate to have to replace another one at near 100 bucks a pop!
...
any way ...at this stage I think if I want a big LPM output I have to go with that cell... I've not hurd of any cell that compairs....or even gets close. so I will attempt to make one myself
if it works I will put my plans on the boards here for all to use.
 Bob Boyce did the same, he discovered he had cancer and then made all his designs available for free
... which you have to hand it to the man that's the right thing to do ! and very generous at that!
because he does have copy rights on his stuff I believe, but he made it All Open source...so anyone can use it... that's really KOOL in my book !
... I Hope his cancer goes away ! ...
...
Anyway.... I need parts before I can start building.... I will special order the plates cut to size so it might cost me a bit more that way... but saves on ware and tear on my tools.
the container I can handle if I can acquire the Plexiglas... that stuff is expensive as well!
although I will not use the Plexiglas GLUE to assemble the box.... I learned ages ago making aquariums that silicone is far better and allows that brittle stuff to flex a bit ...saving cracks and breakage... the bad part is the sides have to be at least 3/4" thick with 1/4" slots cut in it
for each plate....that thick of Plexiglas is very expensive !
... I hope... Man I really Hope, that it will produce like they say... if so I can get to making my truck 100% Hydroxy powered ! ...... and I won't need My Woodgas generator at all...LOL
...
if I get it to work Like I plan there will be some changes around here,...  That's for Sure !
every vehicle will have a unit on it and the need for gasoline will be only for the chainsaw and weed eater ! HAHAHAHHAHHAHHA
(I guess I could make a back pack for their power ...Hummmmmm )hehehehe
...
Bob......

 

[Bob]

Janmarsh:
  Can you re-design your endcaps in such a way as to get the plates to set vertical ? and have you inlet and outlets still on the top and bottom ?  I think this would give you a bit better performance
...as my cells changed about a tad less than 1/4LPM from that change alone ! I feel certain its because of the close spaceing, and if your going even closer than 0.10" then it may well make an even bigger change on your cell's output...
 My idea is for the end cap to have a vertical position ...as well as the plates, but have the inlet on the top of the end cap with a hole into the top portion of the cell.... the same exact copy would be used as the other end but with the inlet on the bottom side... giving the cell both the inlet and outlet on the top and bottom and vertical oriented plates.....
...
its a thought , and as long as your making molds for the end caps you could make new different ones to allow this ....
that is if your not already done with them ! <GRIN>
 I think it would be worth the time and effort ....seriously !
....
FWIW
Bob.......

[crb]

Bob,
How many BTU'S do you think that 61 plate cell would put out.
Thinking about powering my Lowes vent free freestanding heater?
I'm using natural gas now, works real well.  It's not to big only run it
on about 15,000btu's.
Bills arn't too bad last one was about $75.00
crb

[janmarsh]

Have made note of all you have suggested. The moulds are not all that hard to make......... A couple of variations is no problem.

The circulation of the system I have planned is forced by the use of a small bilge pump I finally chose to do the job.
It has a permanent magnet motor, 12v , 3. something amps & is capable of 9 Imperial Gallons per minute.   Thats a fair circulation rate Bob. The forced flow through the cells may overcome the question of vertical or horizontal plate setting. I'm assuming this........ I could be wrong !

I should also point out that such a forced rate of circulation will assist gas collection in a primary bubbler.
Envisage a bubbler a little taller & narrower than most...... Say 4" Dia.  24" tall.

  The forced flow enters the bubbler at a tangent at approx. 10" from the base to run around the inner wall. The rapid circular flow brings about a powerful whirlpool effect,  all bubbles collect at the centre & rise, the electrolyte is forced back to the cells by the pump which is in the base of the bubbler.  I'm sure this idea must have been considered by others before now !

[Manta]

Bob,

Just checking,  but you do realize that,  even if you use DC to DC inverter to get your 120 Volt 10 Amp,  you will still need to draw 100 Amp from the alternator. 1200 Watts is still 1200 Watts no matter which way you slice it.

manta

[Bob]

CRB:
I have no idea of the BTU output but if you found a conversion chart for Hydroxy gas and the BTU's in it You could easily convert it to see if it could keep up...
 ...if you DO find a chart on the BTU's of Browns Gas PLEASE POST IT ! Manta and I need it ! LOL
....I don't know for certain but I think it could keep up easily.... the problem is the Jet size
would have to be changed and depending on the heater that may or may not be possable...
one of the Catalytic propane heaters should also work... and come in many sizes... but your just converting one cost to another cost... from gas to electricity... but a bank of batteries and solar collectors and a back up battery charger should make it virtually free heat!
... if you can make a torch for Hydroxy gas you can make a heater... the difficulties are in the implementation is all ! <GRIN>
...
Janmarsh:
 forced flow like that should take care of allot of problems at 9gpm that is A bunch !
but You don't want to have all the bubbles collect in a whirl pool because that puts all the gas in the center and in-line so a back fire could go right through the bubbler and back into the cell, so its best to spread out the bubbles not collect them... a plate with holes in it just above the output of the cells connecting point should take care of that.
 and if you can make your bubbler taller do so... the taller the better !  remember you will have a large displacement issue with all the gas in the system as compared to when its at rest. so go accordingly...
Randy Had a big displacement problem when he had all 6 Randy cells in operation... turned it on and pushed water out of the bubbler and into the intake manifold and had to remove Koolaid before he could try a test run.... he said it displaced about HALF of the capacity of the bubbler ! and that's allot ! ....so ya the bigger the better for a bubbler all the way around!
(leave the bubbler about 2 cups low !) LOL !
....
Manta:
 Yep I was thinking that when I re read my post... I'll definitely need a 200amp alternator to
power that monster...but that can be done!....
  I've never seen a DC/DC converter... just DC to AC  that would save the large diodes needed to rectify the AC at 100+amps.... would you know where to find a DC/DC inverter ?
...
thanks guys !
Bob......

[janmarsh]

Bob,  The whirlpool bubbler is primary, the accumulated gas is then transfered to a secondary bubbler containing  a high concentration of glycerin.

[Manta]

crb,

I would have thought that hydroxy would burn too fast to be of any use in that kind of application. Just my guess though,  I haven't seen any info' on it.

Manta

[Bob]

At first I thought the same Manta but that's not true at all  I made a small torch myself using a small Hydroxy generator and a well pressure regulator adjusted to 14 P.S.I. Max.... if the pressure dropped below 10lbs it kicked the unit on and turned off at 14 pounds...
I ran a small vinyl tube to a old propane/oxigen torch I got at a yard sale and mashed the tip down to a really small size... the size of the hole was the single wire of a wire brush...
I turned on the gas and ducked and then lit the torch and it lit just fine ! the flame was about an inch long was all... I played with it for a while like that and then stuck it in water and BOOM the pop off cap blew on the generator and bubbler... after hunting it down, both caps I re lit it and played with it some more...
 if a constant pressure can be maintained then you can maintain a flame... its very volatile however... and probably not the best choice for heating a house !
 Some people have even made units big enough to be used with a Oxi/Accetiline torch and simply replace the accetiline with Hydroxy gas...
 the guy I am thinking of is one that built a Bob Boyce's design cell and uses it to cut 3" plate steel with his torch setup... that is truly amazing... as I doubt I could do that with my heavy Duty Oxi/Accetiline torch I have.
...
I have Not tried to run a catalytic heater with Hydroxy gas but think it is possible.
but as I said ...its dangerous stuff to mess with !... a propane leak is dangerous as well
so either way it is  hazardous to life and limb if you spring a leak and fill a room with gas!...
...
 I think if I were to heat my House with an Hydroxy gas powered heater I'ed make it in a concrete block house of its own next to the house and either heat air or water and pump that into the house.... it'ed be much safer that way.
...but as it is I have allot of wood on the 20 acers here and it needs to be cleared anyway so I can use that in a wood stove... if I ever get around to putting the thing in the house
.... other wise I'ed be looking at the Hydroxy gas method...because its free if ya get solar pannels and a wind generator going.
...
Bob.....
 

[crb]

Not much sunshine in western Washington, raining out now.
I think I'll just keep on thinking about it. hahaha
crb

[Bob]

True, but you should have LOT's of wind ! set up 2 wind generators and about 6 batteries and  some regulators and put a 12vdc motor home heater in your house for added heat ! should cut your heating bill by at least 1/2  ...'corse unless you make everything yourself,it will cost you a fortune!
 so your still setting there scratching ur' head wondering what to do ! LOL... Boy do I understand that one ! HAHAHHA
...
the wind generator Jem made on "Planet Mechanics" was really Neet but probably only put out 1000watts of power at full tilt....
 plus there is the problem of feathering a wind generator...in high winds and I have yet to see any thing on how to do that reliably... even a wind mill water pump Has to have that ability and the "Planet Mechanics" didn't address that problem at all....
 so I only have half the picture... its folly to put up a wind generator without some way of shutting it down in high winds.... or it WILL self destruct!
... maybe Tink has some ideas on this, but I am at a loss !
...
Bob......

[hydrotinkerer]

Hey Bob did you have to fit all your stuff with oar locks because of the rain?

[Bob]

LOL I read your post to the wife ! She laughed and said "Better Ore-locks than SNOW SHOES!"
  And I have to agree !
....
obviously I haven't done much on any project lately... and I'm in the latter stages of "Cabin fever!"
if I don't see some sunshine soon I'm gunn'a burn something ! HAHAHAHA

....
although I did finish all ten itenerations of my Band-saw Sawmill Drawings... I think it got it about as good as its going to get... LOL
....
I worked a bit between the down poors the other day and got the Woodgas generator all ready to be re assembled and I haven't seen clear skys sense ! (maybe that's an Omen!)
...
good to see your still with us John !  have you done anything lately besides drip ? LOL
...
 Bob........

[Manta]

Here is something a bit different.

I just bought a little booklet called 'Alternator Secrets'.  It's only 16 pages,  but is stuffed full of ways to change your alternator to allow use at higher voltages etc.  Could be useful if you want to drive that bit cell on 120 volt without having an inverter. also how to use it as an ac generator. Guess that is one way to a low current three-phase set up.

The copyright is 1977,  1986  Lindsay publication Inc,  PO Box 12, Bradley IL 60915.

I bought my copy from Camden Steam in the UK.

Looks like a real little gold mine.

[Bob]

Sounds interesting Manta !
How much was it and do you have a Link ?
...
Bob...

[janmarsh]

Small World................   Two downloads have helped me with my PMA building.

Bob,   Google:  Alternator Secrets pdf   &  Alternator Doctor pdf

Not sure if this one is the same as Daves.   Alternator Doctor is very very helpful.

                                                  Marshall.

[Bob]

Kool !
 Feral read my post and found it for me in a flash , so I ordered the pamphlet ...
there was only 2 left when I ordered it !!!!!!  but getting 120vac from an altenator is something I've been needing for decades... knew it could be done but didn't know how... now maybe I will know ! FAR-OUT! LOL
...
thanks for your input Marshal !
...
Bob.......
 

[Bob]

Marshal:
 I tried to DL those 2 PDF's but had to sign up, so I signed up and it wouldn't take it... guess it wants internet explorer for a brouser... Looks like an interesting site though!
....thanks anyway...
Bob......

[janmarsh]

Have sent them to you by e-mail without problem !

Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent  receiving certain types of file attachments.  Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled.

[Bob]

HAHHA got them just fine thank you VERY MUCH....
 now I got some reading to do !
....
Bob...

[Manta]

Don't know if you guys caught this on BBC New24.

The German government has advised people not to use Internet Explorer 7 as it has some dangerous problems that allow access to your machine.

It is very unusual for a national government to issue such a warning.

I use Mozilla Firefox,  which seems to be safe.  Google Chrome is also said to be safe.

Manta

Oh yes.  Here is the link I used to get the booklet in case any one is having trouble.  Total cost to me was £4.20 That includes PayPal and postage in uK.  I initially got it from the Lister engine forum.

http://www.camdenmin.co.uk/electrical/alternator-secrets-p-2269.html

[Lee Hazleton]

Hey Bob,
   I haven't been here for a while (damn busy).
How's the wood gassifier going?

[Bob]

Hay Lee !
good to hear from ya !
 Its ready to go actually... all I need is fuel and I can test it out...
the problem is EVERYTHING is soaking wet here... even the dry wood ! so I have to wait till it dries out enough to light something up that will DRY out the rest ! LOL !
 My creek that is seasonal, and usually just a trickle is now about 15 ft across and ROARING!
we have had a bunch of rain here 3 stright weeks, possably 4.... I lost count! LOL
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but I got the Woodgas burner ready to go... its not bolted to the truck bed yet but thats about all that needs done... I really made big improvements on it and I expect it should run the truck very well this time !
... strangely enough I find out it probably would have the way I had it... but I didn't have a good bed of charcoal in the grate to make it "CRACK" the gasses.... without that its just smoke! heheheh
but at least I learned that much ! HAHAHAHA!
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Bob.......