Are these figures correct ?

[janmarsh]

Found these videos on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ExzAT-d-k&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndpk3qAJS-8

[Bob]

Janmarsh:
  those are interesting animations... someone took allot of time to make them so precise indeed!
... but you'll notice that he had to change the make up of the engine in order to get the IMPLOSION idea to work... the timing of the cams had to be changed and the firing timing is also changed.... just to get the IMPLOSION idea to run an engine... and in reality None of that is necessary to get an engine to run on HHO ! we know that from experiments that have been done by others already.... which shoots down the IMPLOSION theory in one fell swoop.
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  Lets take the explosion of HHO for instance here.
 we break up the water molecules into their atomic parts, making 2 hydrogen and one oxygen atom
per each water molecule ... so we have a huge amount of Hydrogen and half of that same volume of Oxygen again all mixed up in the same container.... a very volatile mixture. 
We know that Hydrogen by itself will explode when ignited, adding Oxygen to it only speeds up that explosion and enhances it as it does...this resulting explosion changes its VOLUME by
around 1200 times...(if I remember my figures correctly) it EXPANDS in volume a large amount
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the same thing happens with gasoline/air Mix.... the process is identical...
it has to be or Our engines wouldn't run on HHO ! 
 if HHO  IMPLODED upon ignition what would happen in the engine....
first off we ignite the HHO closer to TDC because of its extremely fast ignition....
if we ignited the HHO at TDC or close to it, and the gas IMPLODED it would STOP rotation instantly.... the extreme Vacuum it would cause would keep the piston pinned to the head !
because the gas IMPLODED and didn't Explode...
 However we don't see that ! , what we see is with the timing changed to TDC the engine runs like normal on HHO... so HHO HAS to EXPLODE... there is no other way it can be.
its just another Fuel Source, not a Mysterious Gas that Implodes when ignited.
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 Just because People have PHD's in front of their Names, or titles... does NOT mean they don't make mistakes ! and whats worse is that they are usually totally convinced that they are correct.... And it takes an act of congress to convince them otherwise !<GRIN>
 "Practical Experience Trumps theory almost every time!"
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 My question is not about the IMPLOSION, to me that is a mute fact, engines all over have proved that theory wrong. but the FLAME of a HHO torch ! how can a torch with a burning temp
that you can pass your hand through without being burned, melt titanium ? no matter how long the torch is on the metal ( and it doesn't take all that long!)...this boggles the mind!
I think their explanations of the center of the torch flame being the hottest part is correct
but its that way for a Oxy/acetylene torch as well... so that can't account for the heat output... the only thing I can think of is the Mono Atomic structure of the flame ! it must have qualities for transferring heat that is much higher than a normal flame...
 You can pass your hand through a Oxy/Acetylene torch flame but you better not do it too slowly.... you will get burned ! the same can be said for the HHO torch I suppose... its foolish to be too slow ! but you can immediately tell the difference in the temperatures
the HHO flame is Much much cooler to the touch... yet it melts metal that a Normal torch has trouble with.... WHY ?
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 From what I can gather the large cell ran with AC house current partially rectified (ONE DIODE ?) is the way to go for large volumes of HHO
 and I think the configuration of -NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN+NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN- is the way to go...
or perhaps -NNNNNNN+NNNNNNN-NNNNNNN+NNNNNNN-NNNNNNN+NNNNNNN- (for all 60 plates)
rather than Bob Boyces original -NNNNNNN(58N's)NNNNN+...
60 plates because we want to keep the 2v per plate 2x60=120v
 this Monster of a cell can either power a car or a torch setup !
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Bob......

[Manta]

Janmarsh,

Only just found the latest posts here,  but off the top,

...HHO becomes explosive when additional air is included....

Would seem to wipe out the observation that if you fill a balloon with hho you can ignite it electrically (from the inside) and the balloon promptly disintegrates ,  not collapses back in on itself as it would with an implosion. Which would have then to leave a residue of water in the balloon.

Bob,

... From what I can gather the large cell ran with AC house current partially rectified (ONE DIODE ?) is the way to go for large volumes of HHO...

You would get half-wave rectification.  Which could be seen as a sort of 60 cycle pulsed wave with a soft rise and fall.  I don't see any advantage here as you are losing more than half your current flow through the cell as opposed to normal full wave rectification.

Manta

Off to read the rest of this page and it's links.

[Bob]

yah your right there... I think what was ment on the site was simple bridge rectifier without trying to eliminate the pulses of the high peeks just let be a continious ripple... not a pulse and then nothing and then another pulse.... so my ONE diode idea is totally wrong <GRIN> what we want is a continious RIPPLE of DC then. not smoothed out with capasitors simply rectified with the diodes.
  that makes more sense
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Bob......

[janmarsh]

Bob,       You mentioned mon-atomic gas a little earlier.           Seems as though their are various qualities of Browns Gas.  Makes you wonder if Prof. Brown managed to somehow make a pure mon-atomic gas ....  2H:O

QUOTE:
 

A pure 2H:O mixture (two mon-atomic hydrogens and one mon-atomic oxygen) and in a pure form will implode with NO explosion first, because it does not require a "self propigation" temperature to break the atomic bonds. There are no atomic bonds to break; therefore the mon-atomic atoms can form directly to water, which is an implosion with NO explosion. This "Pure" mon-atomic gas has no name at this time because I know of no one who can make it.

Brown's Gas is a mixture of mon-atomic and di-atomic hydrogen and oxygen, with a bit of water vapor thrown in. I measure the "quality" of Brown's Gas by the amount of mon-atomic portion. 100% gas is pure di-atomic; 200% gas is pure mon-atomic. My testing of a BN 1000E showed a typical quality of 120% Brown's Gas. Our ER 2200 gets 130% quality Brown's Gas. In these qualities you will still get an explosion before implosion, because the explosion caused by the di-atomic portion is greater than the implosion of the mon-atomic portion. As the Quality goes up, you get less explosion and more implosion.

[Bob]

Ok ! that may well be !
 and we're all playing with crappy browns gas because it explodes extremity well ! LOL
thanks for that bit.... that actually answers allot of the questions....
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 so how did he make PURE Mono Atomic Gas I wonder ? hehehehhehe
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Bob....