Justin Frye
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« on: October 24, 2008, 11:08:56 pm » |
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ive been thinking about using a high amount of amps from a battery or alternator and running it through a bass amp like out of a vehicle normally used to make the bass notes on subwoofers and controlling my power output using the main control on the amp. does this sound plausible?
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Justin Frye
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2008, 05:56:29 pm » |
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any opinions?
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2008, 08:04:42 pm » |
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I Kain't Help ya Justin ! I dunno nuttin about bass amps you might funnel MUSIC into the cell and see if Deft Lepard or Kiss gives ya better output ! HAHAHAHAH
... problem is you'ed need to match the 8 Ohms speaker value at the hookup or fry the amp !
or what ever impeedance it is ... never know it might work very well !
and all it would take is an audio osscilator to power the amp...
...but that stuff is way out'a my legue man !
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try it and see I guess !
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candyman55
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2008, 08:45:34 pm » |
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You may want to try a dual channel amplifier with a built in PWM. Something with 1000 or 1500 watts. You will need a signal generation program like this one. http://www.natch.co.uk/downloads/SigJenny/SigJenny.zip you will have to down load it to your computer. And probably a MP3 player to run the amp. I am not sure how well it will work but you should be able to power a single cell up to possibly 30 amps. Maybe a little more and resonate the cell. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2008, 11:35:35 pm » |
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Now...if you RESONATE the cell you might have something !
shakeing the fire out of the water might help seperate the molicules...might not
its one of those try it and see things!
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KF-Puffin1
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2008, 01:12:50 am » |
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sounds like a good experiment to me.
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Justin Frye
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2008, 10:26:50 am » |
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what do you mean by resonate the cell?
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2008, 03:12:22 pm » |
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Everything will resonate... your watch , a nickel, a stone... your body... everything !
so will your Hydroxy cell...but more to the point ..the water in the hydroxy cell !!!!!!
...resonation is some object being buffetted by the sound waves comeing off comeing else, and if you change that sound slightly highter or lower in frequancy... it shakes in sympthy withthe original sound... it likes the "Beat"... when that original sound is perfectly matched to the object it is said to be Resonant at that frequancy....
Resonance is simply AMAZEING stuff !... you can get Amplification of a radio signal by Resonance
Amplication of Viberation due to Resonance. and Amplication of amplication due to amplication !!!!!
HEHEHEHE...
well maybe not quite that ... but it is truly amazing stuff...
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the idea in Resonance in this case is to rip the water appart by useing the amplifaction of Resonance on the water itself......
just like the Memorex comercials where the wine glass is shattered by voice...
useing sound to shake appart ANYTHING is in constant use all the time... its a very usefull tool but its deadly if handled wrong.... but at the low amplitudes that we would use them at its hardly a concern... but at the High Amplitude that the military used it can burn the skin and defolage TREES
in a 20 mile strech... anything from toppeling large sky scrapers to pulverizeing grannet
or liquifying the earth.... Resonance and sound waves are very usefull !
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2008, 03:22:55 pm » |
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Justin; Cruse over to beawindhog.com ck out their hydroxy site he has complete instrutions for useing 1000 watt amp to power gen.
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2008, 03:48:00 pm » |
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Fantastic ! thanks Geezer !
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Justin Frye
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2008, 04:33:18 pm » |
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i do not see it anywhere. could you give me a direct link? i seen where they were talking about the idea but no guidelines that i have found.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2008, 09:20:16 pm » |
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I noticed he never did saywhat kind of LPM output he was getting ...maybe I missed it.. he says its the most efficient, bestestest of the best cells out there.... YAH RIGHT!
... all he is doing is useing the 40vAC and 25Amp from the audio amplifier to power a cell
that is hardly the most effecient or best output !
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Yes he should be proud of his achievements but come on, I seriously doubt it could put out more LPM than a Randy cell in peek preformance or Hydrotech's tube cells !
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SO OBVIOUSLY you can use a Audio amplifier to power a Hydroxycell...that guy did it...
and he has the ability to change stuff around.... which is a pluss
but without LPM data I say ...phooie on that ! whats it get in LPM first !
if it geta a whopping 2LPM whats the point of all the expensive stuff when just about any GOOD cell will do that? if it puts out 5LPM ok thats impressive but not overly so... if it puts out 10LPM I'll order my amp payday !!!!!!!!
see what I mean? without data its useless !
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2008, 12:16:12 am » |
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Ok I got to thinking about that unit the guy made up... and the more I think about it the more I like it....
problem is the Amprage 25 amps is way too small for any 100% hydroxy use...and thats with a 1000 watt
audio amp......25x4=100 amps so 4000watts is getting better but still on the low side
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I would make a audio Osilator from a 555IC chip from radio shack and have the frequancy infinately variable well, ok not infinately but a very large range....
feed this directly into the input of the Amplifier and the output directly to the cell being used..
then experiment with it and see what gives the best production
with a Large amount of Amprage available pulseing at the resonant frequancy of the water in the cells container I amagon the output of the cell would be substancially Increased...
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however there is a down side to useing a large audio amp for this.... the voltage it puts out
may well cause arching in the plates, so that will have to be watched closely
and how do you impedance match a hunk of metal like that of a hydroxy cell to the impedance of the amplifier ?...especially one that the impedance of it will be changeing the more it warms up...
its definately a Reactive Impedance... and in order to keep the amplifier alive you have to match the output impedance, with eather a Ballen or something.... he didn't do that and his amp won't last long without it !....
on an amplifier the input and output impedance is critical to match without matching the impedance it will over heat and fry itself....
weather its a Audio amp or a HF amplifier ...
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the part that bothers me is the Amp running at 5000watts will draw more amps than it puts out....
thats a given... so you still need a Hudge altenator to run the amplifier... although you can probly use it as a heater inside the car on cold days ! HAHAHAHAHHAHA
so if your getting 100 amps out of a 4000watt amp when in use on the cell your battery and electrical system is probly supporting at least 150 to 175 amps....
...now if you consider what that raw amprage could be giveing you in LPM you may be better off throwing away the amp and hooking directly to the cell in stead !<GRIN>
it realy depends on if the resonating of the cell improves production or not!
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its a gamble in my book... It would be a realy fun experiment to see though !
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2008, 12:20:30 am » |
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I agree, I have all of the stuff to do a resonating cell except the time. As soon as I finish with the big generator I have several other designs in mind and the resonanating cell is one of them. But I think that it will work better with plates than with tubes.
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Justin Frye
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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2008, 05:53:23 pm » |
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i use my ipod all the time for music. do not think i can sacrifice it so i can run the amp. haha
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2008, 06:37:29 pm » |
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realy ! seams a waste to use a $150~$200 buck player to power an amp when a Audio Osscliator will do the same !
....I guess some people have more money than sense ! HAHAHHA
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2008, 07:05:23 pm » |
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A MP3 player will work just fine, you can get one for around $20.00
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2008, 01:15:20 am » |
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You can ? where ?
I wouldn't mind having one if I can put my own music on it... it'ed be great on the motorcycle !
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2008, 04:48:52 am » |
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2008, 10:06:50 pm » |
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yea i agree ,we got the kids one each from walley world few weeks back for 39.99 each.and they did have cheaper ones.the ones we got were 2 gig players that hold plenty of music i think my oldest daughter has about 150 songs on hers with room for more.
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