Lazar's car

[Manta]

Don't know if you guys have seen this, but here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfBdPKxk35k&feature=related

Manta

[janmarsh]

Seems as though we are going to have to call on Bob to dump his gasifier & have him knock together a Partical Accelerator !! 

[Tink]

Bob Lazar was on Cost to Coast a few weeks ago and talking about this very thing. It seams he really has found a safe and effective way to run a vehicle on hydrogen. If you are a member of Streamlink at  www.coasttocoastam.com you can get the download of that program. It is very informative.

[Bob]

hummmm
I watched about 1/2 that video and gave up nothing new that I saw, just another car that runs on Hydrogen... whats the big deal ?
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Bob......

[Bob]

hehe Ok I went back and watched the whole thing despite the Dip of a reporter...
ok he makes a small amount of Hydroxy gas, separates the oxygen and hydrogen
and then puts the Hydrogen through a Partical accelerator to make Hydrate ?
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 they went on to say that you can't by the Hydrate because its considered fuel for a nuclear weapon.
but you can make it yourself....
 I take it the idea was to FILL his 4 small tanks in the back of his corvette with Hydrate (not just Hydrogen but hydrogen Hydrate because it is much more condensed)
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ok great... how do I make a partical accelerator like Bob Lazar did ?
what special considerations need to be given to Hydrogen Hydrate  instead of plane hydrogen ?
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tiz a tantalizing piece but not enough information is given to Piss at ... darn it (which is usually the case uh ?)
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Bob......

[janmarsh]

Here you go Bob......... easy as winks  


http://www.lassie.demon.co.uk/scribb/accel.htm

It is the type of hydride lazar is producing that is barred from sale.



Maybe these type of cells could be made use of ?

http://www.valeswood.com/hydrogen-storage.php

[Bob]

HEHEHE Where do you come up with these ? LOL
ok its easy to see that the partical Accelerator idea is out, but the Metal Hydride is the ticket
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it looks to me that a metal tank (more than likely Stainless steel) is filled with a SUBSTANCE that adsorbs Hydrogen.... at low pressure... and you simply pump in hydrogen till all the stuff in the tank can't adsorb any more and the tank is full....
... Ok what substance adsorbs Hydrogen gas like a sponge ?
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yes this idea does look like a possible answer really because you could store a huge amount or Hydrogen
in a few small tanks ....
and a colossal amount in a few bigger tanks.
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this reminds me of the new laws they put in effect for race cars when I was a Kid the gas tank had to be filled with a large sponge of a certain type to prevent bad fires on the race track  the idea worked and they still use it today.... although a tank could spring a leak it wouldn't explode and send its contents all over making "fiery death" for anyone near by. almost like the bladders they use in the UH1 Helicopter except that they treeted the entire tank as a sponge.
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this is actually doing much the same with Hydrogen letting (whatever it is in the tank) soak up all the hydrogen it can and then retreeve it at your leasure. the tank can't explode because the "FUEL"is held in the substance, burn yes but not explode, and that is a good thing!
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with this idea you could power your car on pure hydrogen and be confident that you wouldn't run out
half way to town because the packageing of the Hydrogen is held in at the melectular level...increaseing the CAPASITY of a normal tank by many times...
a 1200 liter capacity tank looked about the size of the old class room fire extinguishers .... normally that tank size is the Large Oxygen bottle used for welding.
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Now we know why Bob Lazar had 4 of those small bottles in his trunk.... and he said he could go 400 miles on one fill up of hydrogen.
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you can think of that method as a Battery for Gas.
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the question is what is in the containers ?
rice ? powered alumimum ? sand ? dried milk? ....Powered Viagra Pills ?
LOL
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Bob...........

[Tink]

Bob,
I think it is Hydride like in metal hydride batteries! I really think Lazar has the right idea for running a vehicle on hydrogen. The problem is to be able to fabricate it in your garage so all us tinkerers can make our own. I bet the unit is going to be expensive. Lazar is undoubtedly going after the big market in a commercial way but this has to be done so the masses can start using this technology. I'm with you in that I want to build my own. The Coast to Caost program is much more informative. I could try to get it to you if you are interested. I think I can get it you in a format you can use. One question I have is since there is no oxygen to turn to water in this technology does that exclude the necessity to use stainless steel parts in the engine, like valves and what not?
Tink

[Manta]

Isn't a cathode ray tube a form of particle accelerator ?

Just a thought.

Manta

[Bob]

Tink... I have no idea what they are doing actually, but I'm courious as heck ! being able to store large quanities of Hydrogen safely is a fantastic thing !
I'ed just like to know How they do that !
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 Hydrogen when burned would randomly find some oxygen molecules to bond with so you'd get some water dripping out of the exhaust pipe...but you do normally with gasoline too ...
 I don't think having to have all stainless steel parts is an issue with running Pure Hydrogen but hydrogen Hardening would be an issue after a prolonged use...say 200,000 miles or so
 however Work hardening has been an issue as long as engines have been used too and if done correctly at a certain time in an engines life ALL moving parts should be replaced because of it, yet you never hear of that taking place...
 Hydrogen hardening was first noticed in large high pressure storage tanks where after repeated use the tanks would start to crack , but we are talking thousands of P.S.I. and unless the Hydrogen is under such high pressure it isn't going to seep through the metal as readily as it does in a huge pressure tank. I seriously Doubt that Hydrogen Hardening will be a serious issue for the automobile running on hydrogen, perhaps in some parts like the piston and rings but other than that ....
....who knows!
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 Manta ! Your a genius!  an old TV and a bunch of bean tins and you got your partial accelerator !
the trick would be in the hook up of course... but isn't that always the case ?
LOL !

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Bob....

[janmarsh]

Based on Lazar's calculations, his form of hydride seems to have an enormous hydrogen retaining capacity compared to Metal Hydride.

He doesn't state the size of engine but a Metal Hydride 1200 ltr. cell would last no more than two minutes as far as he is concerned.  

[Manta]

I was wondering about that.  He claims about 400 mile to a fill. I as thinking that it seems a lot of miles for not so much hydrogen, particularly as he appears to be filling the tanks using water pressure from the mains only. The figures don't seem to add up.
Anyone know what the hydrogen consumption of an average car is ?

manta

[janmarsh]

It would be interesting to know the spec. of his generator, it's construction & it's efficiency.  I understand it takes two days to charge the cylinders from empty.

[Bob]

well, he has a corvette,and corvetts usually have very large engines in them... guessing probably 400c.i.d.  and with gasoline he'ed probly get about 17mpg with it...at the most maybe 20mpg
...that means a big bunch of hydrogen for those small containers....
Knowing Bob Lazar he probably BOUGHT everything...includeing the hydrogen generator... so I suspect that everything is "off the shelf" with the exception of his partical accelerator... if indeed that is what it is.
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Bob......

[Bob]

Keep in mind that with pure Hydrogen you can mix it with air and really thin it out allot...more than gasoline  20:1 to 30:1 is about max.so that fact alone will allow extream fuel milage.as compaired to gasoline.... instead of 15:1 for gasoline the 30:1 for hydrogen would allow for double the mileage right off the bat...
...its a thought
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Bob........