What Determans the "OUTPUT" of a Cell ?

[Bob]

OK Well I am glad its working out for ya !
if you would like to share your formula for figuring out the amp draw I'm sure many here would appreciate it.... I know I would !
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 My next project is fixing my chainsaw, it for some reason has no spark... I think the CDI unit went out in it ! but not sure... No points on that puppy !
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...but after that, I want to start on a 60 plate series cell, and see if I can get a LARGE output of HHO... even if I don't use it in the truck I'll use it in metal working here on the Ranch... so I can hardly go wrong by making one that big.... its expensive but I hope it will be worth it in the end.
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its starting to rain here again.... boy will I be glad to see summer time roll around again !
HAHAHAHAHHA
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Bob.......

[Bob]

I feel quite confident in saying that the reason that cell was doing what it was doing Roadking
is because of the lined up holes...
 Normally, the holes in the plates are put in opposite corners all through the stack. the reason they do this is to make the PATH the electrons must take (as current leakage) as long as possible.... your adding THICKER gaskets  accomplished the same thing in a different way.
... if you think about it there would be a threshold of amperage that would be the breaking point and any more amps simply goes to ground on another plate and thus not going through the usual channels and making more gas in the proccess.
 Although I don't know this for a fact I suspect it is so.  with the Holes staggered that threshold is never reached in a cell.... but with the holes lined up it is reached very easily
and oddly enough it seams to be at 25 amps on your cell.... any more amperage does you no good at all....
  Now when you add thicker gaskets it gives you a bit Higher threshold than you had before
and that's how you fixed it.
  this is New to me... I've never hurd of this problem before in all my days in HHO stuff
but that is as close to an answer as I can come to  as to WHY it was doing what it was doing.
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perhaps you could cut some disks with a tiny hole saw  out of plexy glass and silicone them into the holes to plug the holes.... its a thought anyway.
... or if you could find some 3/8" Punchings out of stainless steel you could put them in the holes and flatten them with a hammer and plug the holes that way...they should widen when you smack them with a hammer because punchings are usually cup shaped... flattening them would swell them out to fill the hole nice and tight ! like a freeze plug  on a car engine!
infact you might be able to make your own Punchings from scrap plate material you have there
a 3/8" hole in a block of steel (all the way through so you can get the punching OUT) and a FLAT punch just under 3/8" should punch out all you need in short order.... it may take a big hammer though !  although hitting a perfectly flat plate with a hammer is a BAD IDEA because you may indeed dent it or warp it... I think you could do it carefull enoughto prevent that though.
...then again,... if its working for ya why fix it ? LOL !
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Bob......



 

[ROADKING]

Thanks,  As for you 60 plate cell, are you going to plug this unit into house current and rectify it, if so from what I have read and I hope to build one this next week, go with a 72 plate cell.  I have read and watched videos on this, and the videos show that it is possible to 7 to 10 litres per min at less than 20 amps.  They claim a very good gap distance on the plates for this, is 3/32, my cell will be gaped on this 1/8 in for I have that in stock.  I hope to be able to report on this next week.

[Bob]

Yes either house current or a 2000watt inverter.
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 Ummm why 72 plates and not 60 ? at 120vac Rectified and then into the 60 plate cell , each plate will have a 2v reading between them... adding more plates will Lower that
 120/72=1.666 v  that is the MINIMUM VOLTAGE REQUIRED to run a cell ... I'ed rather have 2v than 1.6v .....sure it may give off a bit more heat but I will be sure all the cells are working good...
 I'll probably go with 12"x12" plates sense I have to order them anyway so it will be a big cell. but I may cut them in half and make the plates 6"x12"
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 the Plexiglas container is the biggest concern... I was Planning on 1/8" plate spacing
because getting them any closer will be hard to accomplish mechanically...
 I may go closer if I can find a thin saw blade to cut the Plexiglas groves ...
...I could use gaskets between the plates for the spacing, but I have no gasket material
on hand. and I don't know what to buy ! <GRIN>
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 it should be an interesting project PLEASE Let us know about your progress as a few of us are planning on making cells like that,  you'll be the first in the group, so I hope it works out for ya !
...thanks for your suggestions!
Bob.....

 

[ROADKING]

In our area, the house voltage will measure 130 plus voltage, (which is why 120 volt bulbs dont last long), this is why 72 plates.

[Bob]

hehehe that's interesting ! we are very lucky to have 110vac yet alone 120vac!
I've checked it summer and winter alike and its never higher than 120vac and usually only around 110vac to 112vac.
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our 220vac is actually 202vac to almost 220vac and never have I seen it at OVER 220vac
I have seen it below 190vac and believe me its hard to weld when its like that, I have to step up the settings ... the 110vac is like 90vac then when its like that ! that makes me call the power company and complain !...and they allways give me the same song and dance
geee Mr.Kelly You must have a problem on your end...do you want me to schedule a repairman for you ? there WILL be a charge of course! and in a few days its back to normal
like nothing ever happened !  they never admit to anything!
... the thieves!
....low voltage like that will burn out a refrigerator or freezer in no time!
but you'd have to take them to court to prove it !
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  Our power dropped to the mid 80's in the 110vac plug ins one time a few years back
I called and complained and they said there was nothing wrong with their transmition  lines but they were working on the transformers in Shingletown and expect to be done by tomorrow noon..... and the next day the power was back up to normal... but I un plugged both the refrigerator and the freezer and went to bed that night and checked the voltage when I got up and it was about 110vac then ...by noon it was at 120vac
... PG&E has always been flaky here !
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Bob......