Oil Furnace and HHO

[LTCFISHER]

A good trick to get a little more hydro in your tank is to pull a vacuum on the tank first.
I think I would dig a pitt to place the tank in during refilling, just encase,
 you use a diaphram compressor to boost the psi..

[candyman55]

I think that you are right about the vaccume, I also have an explosion resistant room with 18" Concrete walls and 10" concrete ceiling all underground except the roof. I think that I need a bigger reactor with more capacity. I think that with the right pressure relief I can fill the tank right out of the generator.

[Bob]

A concrete culvert pipe sunk vertically in the ground would help shape the charge UP I bet if the tank let go.... but I don't plan on pushing anymore than a Max of 120psi myself so I don't think there is any worry about a propane tank letting go at that pressure.
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 Hay Fisher... does the LTC mean Your a Lutenet Colonel if so in what branch  of the service ?... just courious !
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 I also have another question for you ... I was thinking of makeing a 30,40 or 50 Wall plate cell by keeping them all in line and stacked neetly  with alternateing polarity in the normal Parallel fashon....you know with the top threaded rod being pos and the bottom being negative exiting on opposite ends of the tank.....
 what do you think of that idea ?   You obviously could have done it that way and chose not to.... how come ? am I missing something here ?

thanks...
Bob.......


 

[LTCFISHER]

Part 1:

LTC/ Lieutenant Commander, United States Navy.

Part 2: I will look at my test notes and let you know something in the morning,
           as to that number of plates in a cell. One thing it will take alot of amps.
           30 plate cell in plain water draws 20 amps. Current unit running in my
           truck.

[Bob]

WOW in plane water it draws 20 amps ! COOL !...
I noticed your plate spaceing is quite wide too...
I was going to shoot for 1/16" spaceing and try 50 plates in a row and try to hit them with 80 or more amps... this will be a BIG cell... and its output should realy be high ...but there is no sense in building it without a bigger altenator !  My current 65amp alt would not even warm it up HAHAHHA
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50 wallswitch plate covers would equil 618.75 sqr.in.
to run them with the same amps per sqr inch as a Randy cell it would take 224.99 amps
30  covers is much more reasonable at 317.25 sqr in.
and would take 134.99 amps for the same sinerio
the 30 plates would put out 13.49LPM
and the 50= 22.49 LPM
but the amp load is so high with the 50 plates that I think it almost unreasonable
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but I am seriously thinking that the SS Wallswitch plate covers are the way to go...
40 plates would equil 495 sqr.in.
needed amps would be 179.99 amps
output would be 18LPM
heat would be astrinomical ! HAHAHAHHAHA
so if I made a 40 plate cell fed it with 140 to 150 amps from a 200amp altenator
I should get 15LPM at a guess...
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I think I could mount that stack in a 4" ABS pipe too and have a 4" ABS next to it as a recurculateing tank....
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hummm its got possabilities !
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Bob......

[timberwolf]

2008 old topic I was wondering if anyone ever had any luck with this as far as running a stove or furnace.

[Bob]

As of this date I don't know anyone who has even tried. Yet alone found a way to generate the Needed Volume a furnace would need.
 Large volumes of HHO are hard to come by...5LPM and below is fairly common, but to run a House Furnace
you'd need a very large amount of LPM...
  I'm guessing here,because I have only played with a HHO torch, it needed at least 2 LPM to burn a 1" flame.... 20 of those 1" flames would cost you 40LPM giving all things stayed the same.
and only 20 of those flames would be more like a Small cook top not a house furnace.... that would take more like 120 of those 1" flames ! that's 240LPM !.... now depending on how you generate that 240LPM... with inverters or old welders, the fact is its going to take a Huge amount of amperage to produce that much gas!  At the best of sinerios a 10:1 ratio can be obtained.... 10 amps per 1 LPM...(which drops off drastically as larger amounts of HHO are generated. so at least a 25% increase in amperage is needed just to break the 240LPM mark but disregard that point for now...)
if it could be achieved at that ratio you'd need 2400AMPS to run your generator to power your furnace
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 Its Just not practical unless you have an unlimited amount of Power being generated, and if you have an unlimited amount of power being generated its far easier and Much more Reliable to use electric heaters ! ...
that power can come from Solar panels or wind generators or a combination of the two.
and if you have that already your power Needs are far less than the average persons and a solar Still or Hot box can provide all the HEAT you need to stay warm !
... Some things are practical...some things really aren't . I think Heating your Home with Hydroxy Gas is one of the things that just isn't practical ...YET !
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Bob.....

[timberwolf]

Morning Bob and happy new years. I was talking about the Cornish Generator and propane thank idea it sounds like it should work for a small stove just wondered if anyone had any luck in doing so. If so how many PSI did they put in tank, what size tank, what did they try to run and how long did it last?

[Bob]

Howdy Timberwolf !
And happy New Years to you and yours !
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Well, lets see...
a typical 20gal propane tank(100lb'er) is tested to 300psi that is for Propane however
if you put 300psi of air in it it will more than likely explode on you...as air compresses a great deal
and in doing so it stores a considerable amount of power.
at the very highest I'd only go to 150psi if it were me.
I have had a propane tank as a supplemental air tank for my air compressor charged up to 100psi but I admit I was getting nervous  !<grin> but it held that pressure with no complaints...hehhehe
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I have not experimented with a Cornish generator as of yet... though I am still looking for a paint pressure pot NOT made of Aluminum!  and have yet to find one !
... As you know, you can generate Hydrogen gas (with other gasses mixed in with it, that are quite lethal)by simply pouring a strong mixture of KOH on to aluminum scraps.... the electrolyte will dissolve the aluminum and in doing so it puts of a copious amount of hydrogen gas...
I believe KOH will do this but it may take Hydrochloric Acid.... I'm not sure about that!
so you see the need of your Pressure pot Not being made out of aluminum ! cast iron or steel would suffice just fine even better if you could find one in stainless steel !
... Charging the propane tank with 150lb of Hydroxy gas would be Dangerous to put it mildly....even more so than charging a 300psi tank of propane... because propane is much less volitial
yet a small tank of it can level a 3 story building ! think of what a 20gal tank charged to 150psi of Hydroxy gas could do..... the question becomes one of "a crater of course, but how big of one!"
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Anyway, a 5 gal propane tank pressurized up to 150psi with Hydroxy gas , ran through at least 2 blubbers as a safety precaution could fire a large flame for some time ! how long is anyone's guess
because that depends on the size of the orface emitting the gas to make the flame...
I would venture out on a limb and guess at about 2hrs for a really hot fire or as much as 12 hrs for a small fire.
 My GUESS may well be way off the mark because I have no Idea really ! I am groping in the dark here!
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you can use an old refrigerator compressor to suck up the hydroxy gas and compress it into a tank
it will take a long time to do that and may indeed be dangerous to do it I dunno !
I got a 20gal propane tank up to 120psi with an old refrigerator compressor once....left it on and it blew the plastic line at 120psi... I went running out to un plug it when I heard the Hisssss! forgot it was on ! .... OOOOPS !  it ran my air tools for about 2 minutes !  that's when I decided I needed a air compressor!
 so as you can see 120~150psi isn't Much in a 20 gal tank... but its how much you use of the stored component that matters..... my air grinder really sucks the CFM  ! LOL !
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Bob......

[Manta]

Bob,

...a typical 20gal propane tank(100lb'er) is tested to 300psi that is for Propane however
if you put 300psi of air in it it will more than likely explode on you...as air compresses a great deal
and in doing so it stores a considerable amount of power....

Never been able to follow your logic on that one.

The pressure is a function of the gas pressing on the container walls. So it won't matter what kind of gas it is. Propane,  air hydrogen.  You name it.

The volume of gas that it takes to exert this pressure will change depending upon how well the gas compresses.  But the 'push' that is measured on the guage is the same for all.

Dave
(Manta)

[Bob]

Your Probably correct as usual Manta... I was told that although the propane tanks are pressurized to 300psi that 150psi of air was the Max safe pressure.... this may be wrong I dunno.
300pounds of feathers is the same as 300pounds of lead... as you say... just the volume is different is all
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 be that as it may... the storage capacity of a propane tank would be greatly increased if you pressurized it to 300psi instead of 150psi..... obviously doubling it...
I don't know how many cubic feet can be stored in a 20 gal propane tank under the various pressures described but probably not enough to run a furnace for very long....
we hooked up a 20gal propane tank to the house furnace one time, with a full tank it lasted about 8hrs running on high...( trailer house furnace on a very cold day!)
the next day Dad and I got the wood stove hooked up pronto !  HAHAHA used the chainsaw in the atic to cut a hole in the roof !  we had to get the stove pipe through fast ! HAHAHAHAHH
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Bob...