Oil Furnace and HHO

[murf26]

Does anyone know of info on how I can add HHO generator to supplement my fuel oil furnace?  I know the two fuels have a different combustion rate but I'm just checking around right now for info.  Thanks!

[Tink]

Yea, I'd like to hear from anyone who has installed a HHO genertor to a propane furnace. Is it possible and if so how did you do it?
Tink

[Bob]

And I'ed like to Know how to use Hydroxy gas alone in the wood stove to replace the wood needed!
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Unfortionately I don't think there are many people experimenting in this direction...
so that leaves it up to the individual to Figure out how !
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I too have a Monitor Oil heater...( a clone actually toyostove) and I think injecting a small amount of Hydroxy gas into the air intake should be the way to go on it...
I think a automatic on off control is a nessisity and putting the injection line outside the house is
a good idea... I don't know if the stove would backfire or not...it might, and that might be bad news.
I havn't tried this method yet.
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as far as the Propaine goes I'ed think a outlet pipe next to the burner would probly be the safest bet
as long as you fixed the outlet to be a good burning torch arrangement.
each of these will have to be controled very percisely or you could have an explosion due to the gas building up and then reach a source of ignition...
this puts a big dampner on the idea for me ... although a wood stove could run constantly  a oil stove or Propaine stove are both thermostatically controled... making the percise control of the Hydroxy gas a must.
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things to think about anyway...
Bob........

 

[wess]

I also was curious as to why you couldnt put HHO in a propane tank & use it instead of propane in a stove or furnace. Propane is liquid so you would have to use extra pressure probably to get HHO into the tank. I saw a guy on some site that had huge 1000 gal propane tanks in his yard & he said they were full of hydrogen or HHO, I forget which. But he was totally independent of any grid. He produced it & used it for all his energy needs. If anyone has an idea on how to get HHO into a tank to use just like propane I'm very sure everyone would be interested...all the safety features etc. would be already there if you could just switch propane to HHO.....its winter ya know...Any ideas? Anyone--Anyone??..lol.

[randy]

I was able to achieve 120# of compressed HHO in a 5 gallon propane tank, used a switchplate type electrolyser, fully sealed with a pressure gauge attached, connected directly to the intake of a diaphram type compressor, took over an hour to fill, played with a torch with it but it made me nervous so I opened it to the atmosphere, I'd just let the cell get up to 10 # pressure, turn on the compressor till the gauge read 0 then shut off, the compressors shutoff switch was set at 120# repeated until it shut itself down, turned off cell and closed valve on tank.

[candyman55]

Wess,
I don't think that getting the HHO in the tank is a problem. I think that getting it in there without exploding might be the problem. From what I understand hho will explode at 1038 degrees and compressing it makes it warm up considerably. I think that pulling a vaccume on the tank and and the slowly letting it fill itself may be an option.

[wess]

Yea, no one wants to go B-O-O-M!!..Pressure does create heat and your idea of sucking it in as opposed to shoving it in makes sense. But you would need a very large tank if its not pressurized wouldn't you. I am totally dumb on this I will admit but just threw it out to see if anyone had done it or had ideas. I guess Randy experimented with it. I know when you mix lye & aluminum you get alot of pressure & heat from it (Cornish Generator). I thought if you could channel the gas into a tank the pressure would force it into the tank. I believe that the cornish gen. makes pure hydrogen & not HHO. Maybe this is too complicated for amatures to do, I dont know, but its worth looking at & posting on here to get ideas. Thats what made this country...ideas of amatures like us.

[charley]

You know, if a party balloon lit in a shop will blow your hair back a 1000 gallon propane tank full of hho blowing up will probably get you on cnn. 

[hydrotinkerer]

Filling a tank with pure hydrogen would not be as hazardous as hho. Make a cornish type generator out of steel and your in because they make hydrogen only no o2.

[Bob]

Humm, that could work...
a Cornish generator made from stainless if you can, or just plane o'll thick steel...
able to reach 200PSI... , a 250PSI relief valve and a valve going to the big propaine tank
... gather up your Alumimum and lye   and make your own Hydrogen to power the Water heater, cook stove and heating stove, when ya run low, fire up the furnace again and fill it up...
... I do know that they have tried to us this method in Hydrogen powered cars but have a problem regulateing how much powder to add to the water.... they use the Miner lamp method... what ever that intails.... but it generates a great deal of Hydrogen...
 Alumimum and lye should be slower reacting than a powder and there much easier to control...
a person could even purchase Aluminum punchings from a metal fabricator for a fuel source...
or save his alumimum cans ! <GRIN>
... that has potential !
the generator needant be big... at all just big enough to hold a few handfulls of alumimum and the lye to desolve it.... so it would be fairly simple to make a bolt on top to a heavy pipe, or even use a short piece of 3" galvinized pipe and endcaps sense its not going over 200PSI... .
 I wonder how long a 200gal tank of Hydrogen would last  running a furnace ?  hehehehe
 a cook stove it would last months...
even a long time for a water heater...
but a furnace would suck it down fast..as they are guzzelers !
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Hydrogen can be used with little modification in most Propaine uses... you do need to re adjust the burn Air mixture, but other than that its almost the same ...
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this has real potential to me !
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Bob.......

[candyman55]

Bob,
I may give that a try, I have some xtra pressure pots in the paint shop some are steel and some are aluminum. I think that with a propane hose and a little yankee inginuity I can probably hook er up. I figure the guages are already in place, or at least the holes are there.

A miners lamp is a carbide lamp, you fill it with water and carbide and it has a reflector and striker on the front. Works pretty well (for fishing) used to use em back in day when we couldn't afford a flashlight or batterys.

[Bob]

YAH thats it Carbide ! thank you... I know they tried to use carbide to power hydrogen cars and it is one of those iffy things it has a sealed delivery system so when the carbide is dumped into the water the reaction makes the pressure needed to  pressurize the tank... this works good for a few tries untill conditions change and then the tank explodes ! ... why they didn't incorprtate a Explosive pressure reliese valve on the tank I have no idea but it Killed the inventer!
....up to that point he was driveing all around california in that car , he pulled into the parking lot at a service station and added his mix and it blew up, killing him... if there are too many more of those that stuff will be outlawed!......
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I don't think I'll ever understand why  Inventers cannot see the WHOLE PICTURE or the dangers in their system... I alwayse look for possable outcomes is something is to go wrong.. but it seams to be a curse
if you invent it yourself get someone else to look for dangerous points about it as you can't see the forest for all the trees !
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Bob.........

[LTCFISHER]

Just a thought, I have a jet engine lying around in the shop some where I will see if it will run on hydro.
I could run a 5hp. briggs off the tube cell. On the fuel oil furnace you will have to use a skinner valve with a voltage compatable to the fuel pump voltage for the oil injector, this way gas is only on when the oil is beging injected then turns off when not. ASCO makes them.

[hydrotinkerer]

If you mix aluminun with galium you don't need a catalyst in the water. You can use pure water and you can recover the galium and use it over and over.

[candyman55]

Well Bob, I tried the cornish generator thing today. I kinda had to modify it a little, but I used KOH and aluminum in a glass container inside a pressure pot (paint). The darned thing made a ton of gas it took only a short while to reach 80# PSI, I am assuming that it was hydrogen since that is what it is supposed to be. I connected the pot to a propane tank and opened the valve instant 60#PSI, was all I got cause my popoff is set for 80#'s. The reaction creates quite a bit of heat but it didn't create any problems. I don't know how much gas 80 to 120#'s is in an 18# propane tank but it only takes about 20 minutes with a very small reactor.