Hydrogen generator that someone needs to buy and test

[H²+O]

Hi, this is my first time posting but i have been reading for about 1 1/2 months now on all the hho generators I could find. getting ready to build a few "randy cells" and  "dry cells".

here is a sight that I was wondering if anybody had heard of..  http://poweremissionscontrol.com/index.htm 

Now I don't really want to buy one and test it because I am more of a 'figure out the best way after reading all the info I can find and testing for myself' kind of guy.. (big title, lol).

Love this Site!!!!!! (found you guys on the site ending with a .cc )

steve

[Bob]

Hi Steve !
Glad you decided to post and join the fray ! LOL
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the "Randy Cell" is a great place to start ! in fact it may in itself provide all you need !
you just may need a bunch of them is all... <GRIN>
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Dry Cells in themselves are really Neet units... but they are expensive to build because of the metal,and usually only put out about as much as the "Randy Cell" although a few have been reported to put out 4LPM to 5LPM.... which is a very good output. but the usual Results are directly related to the amount of amps fed to the cell.
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I'll go look at the site ya posted  and give ya my opinion...for what its worth LOL
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Bob.

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From what i've been reading (and like i said i've been reading a lot! about 3 hours a day for the past month and a half) 1LPM at 10amps is really efficiant.. but then the 'randy cell' gets 1.5LPM at 10amps. my queston from your last post is what are the numbers on those cells?

this stuff is the bomb! LOL!

steve

[Bob]

Well, I'm not impressed at all really, although its a very nice site, it lacks info on the hydroxy cell itself.
they are not interested in higher mileage really , they are trying to sell you the fact that hydroxy gas helps burn up the gasoline in the engine better.... (which it no doubt does).
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 sense they give no LPM figures I wouldn't buy one for love nore money ! because I know you can get the results they clame on 1/4LPM.... and that low of production is not going to help the AVRAGE Auto out there get better mileage.... just clean up their emmitions... and quite frankly
I don't care if it does clean up the emittions I want the better gas milage, if it cleans up the engine thats just iceing on the cake.... I want higher mileage...first and formost !
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I have learned that in order to get High mileage with a Hydroxy generator you need to do a few things...
 One is Deliver enough Hydroxy gas to make a diference in the engine, and that is usually about 1 to 2 Liters per min Per Liter of engine displacement....
the Second is to get the engines to NOT counteract the higher Oxygen content of its exhost by dumping in more gasoline and killing your results ! this is allot harder than it sounds! as the Computer in the cars are tricky little monsters and will foil you on every attempt unless you know what you are doing!.
 and 3rd... is not to be understated... in California the DMV will NOT allow you to Modify your engines smog system in any way... if it is modified it will not pass SMOG even if the car has ZERO emitions ! PERIOD !.... stupid I admit ! but that is the California DMV for you ! so if you put any device on your car , be prepaired to remove it at SMOG check time !
...the only thing you can do to LEGALIZE the car after it has been modified is to go to the DAR
(Department of Automotive Repair) for a hearing and their mind is made up already that nothing will help the emitions so you will have to prove it over and over to every person in the building !.....and even then who has the time for that ?
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the bigger the engine you have the more Hydroxy gas you need ... great results can be achieved even with a tiny amount of Hydroxy gas, this is true... but it is usually not the rule!
Older engines are easy to see big improvements in gas mileage........ these newer Fuel injected engines All will fight you, and each make and modle take diferent methods to overcome.
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 thats it short and sweet...  High gas mileage can be yours, but it ain't easy to achieve !
and the state will fight you every step of the way... why ? because they can I guess ! LOL !
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 I achieved from 22~24mpg to 40~45mpg with my 3 Randy cells in my Toyota R22 pickup...
so I know it can be done!
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Bob........

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How has your studies on your truck been going? everything on this form is everywhere.. kinda hard to figure it out cause i forget to look at the dates...

what grade ss is the washers the 'randy cell' uses? If they are 304 i was going to go to this guy i know and have him make me some 316 or 316L washers.. I'm going to have him make me some bigger ones anyways to test the production and all that.

what is the best production in LPM fro a 'randy cell' a tube cell and a 'terro cell'?
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you sure do put out a lot of info BOB! It's why I keep reading cause you put stuff outside the box.

steve

[Bob]

My 3 Randy Cells all put out 2LPM at 20 amps when tested seperately
however I put them all togather in one tank and hooked them in series and only got about 3LPM at 30amps max.... probably a bit less.
...at the time I was still fighting the Computer in the truck which was counteracting every move I made and trying to get my mileage back down to 22~24mpg... after adding the "Matt Valve " is when I achieved the 40+MPG.... but it didn't last very long as the cells were made with non-stainless steel Nuts in there and they rusted up and dirtyed up the electrolyte so bad that it turned to dark COFFEE colored electrolyte... which in turn coated the plates which in turn dropped production, which lowered the mileage I was getting ...
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I don't Doubt for a Second that Randy achieved 1.5LPM at 10amps.... but I didn't ... I am not as good a builder as he is , obviously ! <GRIN>
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 I think if I would have fed the 3 cells in series with 60 amps I would have had 6LPM without much problem at all.... but I couldn't put that big a drain on my stock alternator.
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  When you build a Hydroxy cell Keep in mind the cleaning and maintenance... and make sure
everything that is exposed to the electrolyte is Good quality Stainless steel.
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Bob.......

[Bob]

I have no idea what the grade of stainless steel is on the washers i used... I suspect they are 316 though.... I picked them up at Lowes Hardware, bought all they had about 3 weeks in a row !
LOL
also got some at Ace hardware... their 2.5" in O.D. I think with a 1/2" center hole
.....larger washers than that can be found but I dunno where ! HAHAHAHA
Randys First washer cell used 3" washers but when he went back to buy more they didn't have any more so he switched to 2.5" ones as well.
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I am in the proccess of trying to build a Randy cell Using wall switch plate covers which are much bigger in surface area than the washers are.... but... I havn't got very far on it as I need stainless steel parts !
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Bob........
 

[Bob]

Steve ! Sorry, forgot to answer your question about the truck !
 I really havn't done much in the way of Hydroxy work on the truck in the last 6 months because of having to move to the Ranch... but I am catching up here now and it won't be much longer HAHAHA
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I slapped togather a "Geet Reactor" the other day and will probably try to start that little engine I have it on tomorrow....( if I can find my quick start! )
... it will be interesting to play with if nothing else ! LOL !
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Hydroxy Gas is the way to go though... no doubt in my mind about that !
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and yah this forum is a bit un orthadox but we have enough people in our socioty telling us how to do things, we don't need another ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! so post where ya want ! if it buggs me I'll move it ! HAHAHA !
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Bob....


 

[H²+O]

Well I haven't gotten tired of reading yet! errr except some of those posts of yours that take a minute just to scroll down to the bottom of it! lol, just giving you a little grief, I Love all that info man!
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about that small engine I'm going to try and find me one that gives about the same hp as my car ( 83 Nissan/Dotson hatchback sentra gets 38.5 mpg with stock tires on it but me and my bro are pimpin it out and the wide tires i have on there now only give me 34.5mpg ). and another that gives me the same as my big truck ( 85 dodge W250 gets 13.5 no matter what, had the carb rebuilt uped the mpg 1.5 from 12, Big stinkin waist of money if you ask me! (haven't hulled anything heavy though...)). if it possible to find a small engine like that! o yeah both vehicles are carborated ( have 6 running vehicles and all of them are carbed).

I'm just going to try to pump in the right amount of hho and worry about self containment later.. like i said it the other topic, i think 100% is going to work because we aren't creating hydrogen, it's already there just a waiting for us to help it out..

Water has the power stored! no need to build a dam to store it up! all we have to do is put our generator in the flow that is already there!

best of luck to you tomorrow!

steve