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« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2009, 04:36:22 pm » |
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Well, pairs 1 and 3 do matter on connection. It really doesn't matter what color pairs you use, but the location matters. You could trade green for orange for all I care, but if you don't follow the twisted pair example, signal quality will be severely degraded. And to link to the internet, it needs to be the same on both ends.
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« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2009, 05:06:08 pm » |
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Hummm I wonder if my handy dandy checker that came with the cat-6 cable checks for that pare 3 being split around the other one.... thats weird... anyway I will try it and see if it works or not
I am trying to connect my Kids computer to this computer through a LAN cable...thats what this is all about....
and the way I wired the plugs was NOT like that so I may well have to re do them....
what I have is 1&2 are pairs, 3&4are pairs, 5&6 are pairs, 7&8 is a pair... I did not devide the one in the center...
but my checker doesn't give me a red light.... like it did when I had a reversed pair...
I wonder if its useable for a lan connection or not now! HAHAHAHHAHA
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« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2009, 02:52:53 am » |
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Cowboy ! Thank YOU !
after double checking with my tester the order in which the tester flashed was different !
meaning that the pairs were indeed different...
So I snipped off the ends and put on the last 2 connectors as per the pic ya posted ( thanks again)
...but unfortionately I got one connector back asswards.... perfectly I might add...but backwards!
and ofcorse the tester flashed Red on it telling me I goofed up and upon closer inspection I was holding the plug upside down when I inserted the wires, not like the other one ! ...so Now I have to get more plugs HEHEHEHEHHE
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and Banda Computers said No problem send everything back and we'll fix it... well obviously I can't send it all back as I have snipped off some of the length of the cable , nor do I want to, even just sending back the plugs in their original box is out of the question because the box is no longer in "NEW condition" .... I may do it anyway... and keep the cable and crimping tool but they say send it all back and I don't wann'a do that.... I might email them again just to see
anyway... I have it on the run this time I am sure.... with the PROPER pairs in the proper order in the plug....
I got to thinking about what you said and using the cable the way I had it would have resulted in having only 4 wires instead of 8..... if my guess was right only the 2 outside pairs would have worked ...if any of it did.... it probably would have error ed out ! LOL
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so thank you for straightening me out on that !
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« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2009, 07:29:08 am » |
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Bob,
Are you connecting 2 computers directly via the CAT-5 or CAT-6 cable. I mean nothing inbetween? In affect a pier to pier network? If so you need a cross-over cable. And I have one in my hand right now, the order of wires are different on both ends. It's like the old mull modem in the days of old. Anyway my eyes aren't good enough to see the different wires without taking apart this cable. The radio shack part number is CB-0260-40. This may help to find the proper order of wires. Also the cable says 'CROSS' on it. If this is not what you are doing then disregard this entire post.
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« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2009, 08:08:58 am » |
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If you are in need of a cross-over cable, swap the orange and green pairs. You will have one each as in the image below.  |
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« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2009, 03:43:44 pm » |
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Tink...
YAH ! thats what I'm doing ...going from one computer to the other with nothing inbetween
...exactly like the Null Modem cables of old ( except with more wires!)...
so Looks like I have to cut off both ends AGAIN... LOL @!
.... to be honnest, I thought we had progressed beyond the old Null-Modem days ! and thought the eithernet cable was the same on both ends and the hard ware took care of it now....
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I have to pick up more cat5-E connectors before I can do it...
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thanks for your help guys ! needless to say I am a bit "Rusty" on this stuff LOL !
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« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2009, 08:04:37 pm » |
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Cowboy,
Where are you getting these great diagrams?
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« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2009, 10:59:50 pm » |
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Oh Boy.... Change of plans AGAIN....
Feral tells me that we will be going from this computer to a Router now... and from there to her computer etc.etc.....
so that changes the cable type I think.... but to WHAT type ?
on my tester it has 4 cable type diagrams...
1. is an EIA/TIA-568A diagram.
2. is a EIA/TIA-568B (AT&T 258A)
3. is Ethernet 10 Bose-T
4. is a 8-position Token Ring
3&4 only use 4 wires of the 8 from the looks of things
the one that Matches Cowboys Original diagram is the AT&T (2.) where pair 3 is split around pair 1
the first one uses the same wireing as the 2nd but the Pair numbering is diferent...which to me doesn't make any sense if the wireing is the same ...DUH !!!!!!
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we will go from my machine 300ft to a Router... perhaps 250ft or there aboutsI will endevor to make it as short as I can.... because 300ft is the MAX they can be...or so I have read.
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so with that info ... what cable connection should I use NOW ?
...hehehehe thanks guys your the best !
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« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2009, 11:07:45 am » |
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Bob,
In that case and I'm assuming you are using a 'router' not a wireless router, Both cables will be standard ethernet 10-base -T. I never ran one over 100 feet myself. Wait to get Cowboy's verification on this since it's been years since I did any networking.
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« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2009, 02:01:21 pm » |
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OK sense we have 10/100 ethernet cards we want 100 base-t connections on the end then....
I have a diagram for 10 base -t but not the 100 base -t .... the 10 base -t uses only 4 wires
so I am asumeing the 100 base -t will use all 8 wires....
Cowboy do you have a diagram for 100 base -t plug wiring ? <GRIN>
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« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2009, 07:37:43 am » |
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Wiring for both is the same. Since you will be plugging into a router, make both ends the same as in my first image.
Tink, I just Google them. It's all about word placement.
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« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2009, 04:17:09 pm » |
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OH THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
I went to the other property and moved some more junk... but on the way I stopped by best buy and picked up 20 of the cat 5-E connectors and a cat5-E in line connector ...just in case !
... so now I can finally get this connection thing done !
thanks for the help guys... seriously you helped allot !
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« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2009, 09:40:13 pm » |
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Ok both ends done the same as the first pic Cowboy ! only had to use 2 plugs too....I'm getting better at this ! LOL !
... I took the cable up to Feral, its her job to string it down to the house now ! hehehehehe
probably will take a few days before I can test it, but the tester said it was A-OK !
so we shall see...
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Had a lightning strike close last night and it took out my Modem in the computer.... un known to both of us it took out Ferals Modem as well.... same problem the computer said there is no dial tone when there was on the phone..... put in an old spare and it works fine! so I'll pick up another modem for Feral when I go into town again.
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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2009, 04:41:00 pm » |
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Well, it seems we did something right. The cable works (Yay Dad!) an swapping to our old hub gets the 'internet shared too. So, Yay!
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« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2009, 07:17:45 pm » |
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its interesting to note that we tried to get the newer hub to work but it wouldn't......
we had to use an older hub we bought years ago....
I dunno what the difference between them is but evedently the newer one has to be the one to connect to the internet...which seams weird but at least Feral got it working... now she can lag me to perdition and back ! LOL !
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