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« on: June 28, 2009, 03:45:56 am » |
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Hi all,
been a while since I have made any posts or worked on the gen. Winters are busy for me, I plow snow, also the gen. does not work in cold weather. We get -30 f and then some here at times. It finally warmed up and I made the time to rework my gen. which was giving me 2lpm.
I will give a quick rundown of my setup. My plate design is a spin-off of "umpqua energy" which as of 2008 was selling them for $895 with a 2 lpm output. I have not been in the ring for a while so I'm not sure what is out there now. I will give all the specs in a later post, but my plates are 8" by 8" with 3/4 " of gasket all around, giving me 6.5" by6.5" of surface area per plate. Plate spacing is 3/16 ", wilth a total of 8 plates. Mix is 1to 4 by weight wilth koh. I use a pwm designed by fossil "fuels" and modified by gary at "chemelec" to contrlol duty cycle, freqency, and current, so u don't have to worry about the runaway effect when it starts warming up.
The bubbler is basically standard design, with many check valves. On the fill side I use a check valve to allow air to enter the gen. without trying to draw it back in from the bubbler, as it cools and contracts it needs to draw air in to equaliZe pressure. I have built a circuit to "trick out" the o2 sensors but have not yet had the time to install it. I have just got the gen. tested and installed with the mods. I made this summer, and have not even run a full tank of fuel thru it.
I am employing it in a 2004 f-250 deisel, and was getting about a 3mpg increase last summer with 2 lpm. There is no foaming, and plate heating is minimul. The pwm circuit should handle up to 90 amps if built properly, and with the large heat sink I built it only gets luke warm at 48 amps. My truck has 2 alternators and 2 batteries, and I feel 48 amps will not tax it to much.
I will try to catch up on the latest and keep everybody posted as to my endevors. I could deffinitely notice the difference in torc, esp. at the low end rpm's.
Best to all,
Mike,
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2009, 07:35:04 am » |
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I'm waiting with baited breath for your results! I've been messing (to put it mildly) around with the new Smack Booster tero design and am rebuilding it now. It got too hot at 25 amps! With an EFIE I was seeing some increase in mpg (maby 2 or 3mpg) at 2LPM hho. I don't know how much time I'll have this summer to dedicate to the hho genny since I'm also working on a 1000 watt wind turbine and a single wire Yagi antenna and an outside stone oven to bake my famous sour dough bread. I can't wait till the day I can retire and then have the time to complete all these projects. As it is I'm like a bouncing ball going from one project to another not completing any. As gas goes up I get on the HHO project as gas goes down I work on the wind turbine all the time thinking about how much quieter the single wire Yagie beam would be over the Horizontal extended lasy H.
Do keep us posted!
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 01:25:43 am » |
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Yes Please Keep us informed on your progress... its seldome that anyone runs a engine of any kind with more than 2LPM and I am hoping your larger volume of 4LPM will net you Realy big improvements !....
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 01:37:28 pm » |
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a single wire yagi ?
I always thought that yagis were directional comprising if reflector and director elements as well as the dipole section. A bit like tv antenna.
Please enlighten me.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 07:34:29 pm » |
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Yes indeed... eather its a real weird animal or Mis=named, as many antennas are... i'ed be interested in that antenna to Tink <grin>
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 08:17:43 pm » |
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Hi all,
Sorry Bob for not giving u greetings, been a while and I have been busy, got caught up in the vicious cycle. Forgot this is the forum where u now hang out. U should remember me from the haydays, on dan weills website. we started about the same time. I was the one that managed to get 4 lpm, but had to do it in a round about way by heating it up and then hooking in plate number 8. This is the reworked model and no need for plate 8. Because I have been away I woulld like it if u would update me on the progress with dan weills design? Sorry to here u are moving, I think it would take me 2 yrs just to move my tools and equipment, lol. Thats why I am putting in a double wide where I am now. Still have to move everything to the garage, not an easy feat, lol.
I have a couple of tidbits for the plate design, but I am in the middle of cooking supper, so I wont get to in depth on it, it involves filling the cell with distilled h2o, it seems there is a problem with the distilled water mixing with the electrolyte, which make s sence, sirry fir the spelling, when I fill mine I do it from one side which leaves pure h2o on 1 side and pushes the electrolyte to the other creating an incansistancy, which will cause it to foam. Also I found u should not refill it when it is hot. This again will create a tendency to foam. I have not found an answer to the filling probllem, but I have a couple of ideas. I have to further test the problem and make sure this is what is happening, if so I have a fairly simple fix for it.
Thats it for now, wish I had more time.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 08:49:30 pm » |
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Hi all,
Yes a yagi is usually, basicly 2 or more dipoles in a plane puportioned to give it a gain in that plane, horiz., verticle.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 10:24:36 pm » |
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Bob, Mike, Manta,
Sorry to miss-name that single wire antenna. It appears on page 38 of the new QST mag. (July). The author mentions it has the gain of a Yagi. He calls it a HGSW for High Gain Single Wire. Of course it can't be rotated.
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How do I insert an image in this message. I can't figure how to place an image where my name goes either. I wanted to show you guys my 3 homebrew towers that are 30 feet taller than the 10 foot trees we have here. I guess I'm not as smart as I thought I was!
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 03:21:41 am » |
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Bob or Ferral,
How do I insert an image in this message. I can't figure how to place an image where my name goes either. I wanted to show you guys my 3 homebrew towers that are 30 feet taller than the 10 foot trees we have here. I guess I'm not as smart as I thought I was!
For the images, attach them. (Expand the "Additional Options" then look for the bold "Attach" and "browse" for your image. Repeat as desired, up to 4 per post as of this witting. Mind the size of the images.) For the avatar image (picture under name) From your profile (select "Profile" above) select "Forum Profile Information". Select "I will upload my own picture:" and then "browse" to your image.  |
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 02:36:06 am » |
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Mike !
as far as I know nothing has changed activity took a nosedive in winter and is slowly picking back up.... as the price of gasoline climbs so will interest in HHO !
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yah this winter was one of the worst for us in many a year... loosing Grandma and all the garbage that goes with that is probably the worst of it, but add the Bankruptcy not closing because My mother died is enough to drive me postal ! GRRRRR ! but not a thing I can do about it.... now they will take my place up here in the mountians... better that then let them get their greedy fingers on the Ranch I was raised on.... so I'm moving my stiff to the ranch and boy I have to admit ..
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 07:56:26 am » |
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Feral,
Thanks for the instructions. The photo Iwanted to insert is way too big. At 1.5mega bite I'll have to get out the old Sony Mavica and shoot it at 640x800 VGA resoultion. I hope I still have a 3.5" floppy laying around somewhere. I guess I'm a pack rat too, just hate to throw out old technology.
Bob,
Anyhow how is it coming with that Toyota of yours? My Smack Tero cell is just laying on my work bench all taken apart waiting for me to reassemble it.
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 02:21:11 pm » |
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Feral,
Thanks for the instructions. The photo Iwanted to insert is way too big. At 1.5mega bite I'll have to get out the old Sony Mavica and shoot it at 640x800 VGA resoultion. I hope I still have a 3.5" floppy laying around somewhere. I guess I'm a pack rat too, just hate to throw out old technology.
Perhaps load the image you have into ms paint or the image editing program of your choice and save as a jpeg?(a .jpg extension) -- that is a very good format for photographs. You can also resize/resample your existing image as well which will cut down on the size as there will be less information to store an all, of course. But er I digress from the topic so I shall desist. |
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 09:18:03 pm » |
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Tink....
on my camara there is a setting for picture QUALITY.... (and ofcorse its missnamed, it should be SIZE) because it has Excellent, good and poor settings and their size goes from monstriously big to 320x200.... so I use the "good" setting which is close to 1024x768 in rez....
almost all camaras have a resoultion setting... some have it mis-named but you get the idea! HAHAHAHA
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you could send them to me and I'll resize them for ya tink and send them back.... not a problem....
I know you have my email address <GRIN> so its not a problem
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2009, 01:19:29 am » |
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Tink....
you have perked my curiosity now on that antenna.
sounds like a new breed indeed... I love wire antennas I had a mutable dipole for80,40&20meters
but I liked the 40M horizontal loop the best fed with 1/4wave of 75Ohm coax i believe it was...
but its all taken down now and rolled up in a maze of wire ! LOL
... I hope to get a 80m horizontal loop up some day but getting it high enough is a real pain with one that big...
However sense my liscnses has probably expired I am reluctant to put any effort into antennas of late.... I do love my 2meter Kenwood as it gives great comunications no matter where I am.
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I wish I had a dollar for every hour I spent on cw on 80 meters...but that was years ago...and my morse-code is so rusty I'ed have truble reading 10wpm.... to say the least!
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anyway... when I was into antennas back in the 1980's the "Bazooka" was considered a real go getter ... but I never made one...unfortionately <GRIN>
i worked on very short antennas on 80m for years on the cw portion of the band... when I finally got my advanced class liscnses i realy nad no want to go voice at all... but we moved and I finally got set up again and then my radio started dieing ... so I sort'a lost interest on all but 2m ... and even that lost its charm...so now I am station-less.... but ya never know I may get the bug again...I seriously doubt I will take the tests again though.... so I guess that leaves me out for now.... as I am sick of playing other peoples games....just to live !
but as ever I am interested in antennas and am courious as to what it is like ...
how about a discription eh ?
( I don't get QST)
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2009, 02:39:09 pm » |
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I used to be a radio op' in the Army, back in the late 60's. I said I would get my license some day, and around 1983 I did so. 2 metre only. But like you didn't keep up the yearly fees; so it's gone. Mind you, the internet came along and changed my direction.
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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2009, 09:11:02 pm » |
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Hi Bob, Manta, Tink,
Bob, the morse code is like riding a bike once u learn it, it will come back to u quickly. I was up to around 25 words per min. when I took my extra,but after that I used mostly all voice. I renewed my lic. a few yrs. ago Manta , and I don't remember paying any fees. Also the tests now are pretty easy. I build most of my ant. to me it's the funnest part of the hobby. I even built a 160 m vertical that worked very well, but u needed quite a few ground radials. I also built an off-center fed dipole for 80 and 160, but the ice storm took it down and I never got around to putting it back up. I just use a center fed dipole for 80m now. For 2m and 440 I built cubicle quads, 4 element for 2m and 6 element for 440. They are cheap to build and have a lot of gain. I use cold water pvc for the structure and 1/8" aluminum wire for the elements. Did any of u ever work the satelites or the space station?
Looks like I have to tear the cell apart and put in a little circulating pump for when I fill it. That way I can mix the dist. h2o in with the electrolyte when I fill it. I will prob. just use a little hand pump and draw it from one side and dump it in the other.
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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2009, 08:46:41 am » |
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Bob, Manta, ic-738,
I got my no-code Tech in 1993 (I think). I never could learn code since my ears are so bad. When the FCC droped the no code requirement I then got my General ticket. I'm using the old ic-745 barefoot only getting 85 to 100 watts at any given time. I use the 'Extended Lazy H' on the 3 40' homebrew towers in my back yard but this antenna is real noisy most of the time. The old Cushcraft R7 is a real performer. I have it mounted up 20' and it is 26' high above that. I'm at 6,500' altitude and that helps get my signal out. I can listen to operators literally all over the globe but my signal only gets out about 1,500 miles on the best of conditions. When the wire antenna is quiet it is better than the R7. I can send via email the articles of the Lazy H and the HGSW if anyone wants them. I'm thinking the HGSW might be quieter and that is why I'm toying with the idea of putting it up. Bob, I lost your email address. I talk to hams who are still using the Boozuka with great success. We tried a Sturber Curtain awhile back on these towers and it really worked but just too windy here for all the wires on it. When I got my General there was a $14 fee and that was 2 years ago. I'd be on 2 meter but here there is just no activity on that band. I never got into satalite or space station stuff but I'd like to get a modern rig and go computer controlled someday. Darn radios are so expensive these days like everything else. When I was living down neer Phoneix there was a ham club with 400 members in Sun City (retirement community). Mike, I hear 80 meter real well almost anytime of the day, give me a freg. and time and maby we can connect sometime.
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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2009, 02:47:33 pm » |
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The UK license fee was £15 per year. Not much, but as I wasn't using it at the time I let it lapse. Should have paid the money.
Only did local stuff on two metre, used to do a lot of short-wave listening whilst I was in the Army. My morse was at around 15 wpm on the military nets.
Maybe I'll get back into it one day. Too many things to do at the moment.
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2009, 03:12:09 pm » |
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HAHA ! all interesting stuff guys thanks for the info !
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I've built a few quads in my time but mainly for the CB band before I got into Ham radio
and I have to admit that would make a great 2mtr antenna....!
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problem is with 2mtrs I'ed rather have a High gain vertical, OMNI directional antenna.
and I have one up the hill in a tall cedar tree... but getting it down is another story...
I made my tree spurs to get it there and havn't put them on but 3 times sense ! HAHAHAH
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I have been thinking on making a 30 plate (parallel hookup to the plates) Hydroxy cell and see if it will fit in a 4" ABS pipe.... I think it will.... but in order to get the Amps per swuare inch up where I think it should be it is going to take a new altenator I think ! GRIN.... but if I can get 1LPM per every 10 amps it should put out a good amount for the o'l toyota R22
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« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2009, 07:25:42 pm » |
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Bob, MANTA,Tink,
Ok on the ant. and the ticket tink. I usually only run 100 watts, on an ic-738. Curious on the sturber curtian, I've heard of a bobtail curtian? OH and maybe for an upgrade or new liscence there is a fee but I don't think for renewal there is. Night is the best for me, much quieter. I'll look up a couple of freq. and times when they are clear and let u know.
I hear u manta I have too many irons in the fire , as I think we all do,lol.
I made a homade set too bob, not sure where they went, lol. Bob, from what I have understood the most noise is on verticle because that is where most radio stations transmit, and something else i am forgeting also. As for the amp per ltr. I found the best i can get is 12 amps per ltr. which is not bad, got to figure in some loss?
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« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2009, 07:33:45 pm » |
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Sorry, not sure why but there was a post i did not see until I made last post, not sure why, won't mention it now but would like to know why?
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« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2009, 11:19:26 pm » |
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who knows Mike...been there seen that myself when posting replies...but usually it will notify you that a post has been made while you were typing your message...but as you saw ...it doesn't do it every time... must be a bug in the program. <GRIN>
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I don't know what I could send and recieve at now in CW but probably about 20wpm in all truthfullness
I did it for years, and got very fast somewhere around 50~60wpm using normal cw slang but if you wanted to throw me for a loop , all you had to do was throw in numbers ! HAHAHHA but my buddys knew that and usually spelt the numbers for me because I'ed just have them repeet it HAHAHAHAH
I made an interface for my Vic-20 and Commodore 64 to interface the HAM rig and computer... I wrote my own morse code read/righter in basic and finally made the switch to an IBM Clone so I had new interfaces to build ! EHHEHEHE... never got into RTTY.... but at the speed Bryan sent at half the time we were very close to that speed....he was forever pushing us to go faster ! HEHEHEHEHEHE
we'ed start out at 20wpm and end the conversation an hr or 2 later at 50 or so... that worked !
i went to 5wpm to 8wpm over night and hit a wall.... took about a month at 8wpm and then jumped to over 25wpm in lest than a week...
if you use it for actual BSing you will be supprized at how fast your speed will get up there.
but for QSL contacts... that is something else ! you have to be really good with numbers and for some reason I never was ! HEHEHEHEH
3 to 4 of us would gather on the small turf patch on 80meters every night and some times chat into the wee hours about antennas or something...
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2009, 04:18:30 am » |
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I have seen here on the forum 1LPM per 10amps.... or 2LPM for 20amps Max.
and I have even achieved that results myself useing the infamous "Randy Cell"...
however at no time did I ever achieve More Volume per amp than with the "Randy cells" or a Absoulte
max of 2.25LPM for 22~25amps...at some point it looks as if the more LPM you get the more it costs you in amps....(at least when your pushing allot of amps through a small cell)
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this is why I want to try a cell with more plate area, designed to I can achieve the same AMPs per square inch of plate surface area....that I had with the "Randy Cells"...
I may well be barking up the wrong tree here , but I won't know untill I try it <grin>
my idea is to get larger Volumes out of a Hydroxy cell I will need to use More amps and More plate area
as a Unit... inorder to achieve the higher Volume I want... in essance keeping the same amps per inch ratio of a known working Good cell (like the Randy cell) and put it in a Much bigger cell
I think the plate configuration of the "parallel Hookup" cannot be improved upon, even though it is much harder to construct than neutral plate confrigurations.
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to reach my goal of 15LPM... but its been a long time ago and I'ed have to re do the figures to be sure...hehehehe
this holds true to LTC Fishers findings along these lines. and his extream success with his little car
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but only building it will confirm it for me, as thats how I do things <GRIN>
if it works out as I plan it will be a relatively small unit to power my truck... I don't know if it will be 100% HHO powered or not with 15LPM max output... infact I have my doubts...but I am hoping it will be.
However Excessive HEAT will be a major problem... and I have not totally figured out how to cool down
the strong electrolyte yet... I am thinking a large volume constantly being circulated with LOTS of cooling fins! hehehehe
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2009, 06:47:10 am » |
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When I got the Smack Tero cell at first I was getting 1LPM at 20 seconds at 16amps. It all went haywire when I pushed it to 25 amps and I had to tear it down and just haven't got it back together again. It stayed cool at 16 amps then the more I increased the amps the hotter it got. Because of the design it is hard to determine the temp. inside of the thing. I only able to measure the outside temp.
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I am at times on 7.265 at 7am and 6pm my time here in AZ. My work schecule is a mess though and I don't get on freg. as much as I'd like to. It's a net with only a few guys who are real friendly and welcome new people to the net. There is Bob K0WND, Gary K0MGD and Miron KC5ZAV. All great old hams with many years of ham radio. There are a few others that I can't hear too well and any given time. Sun spot activity is so bad and that is effecting all the bands. These guys arealso on 21.412 at 3pm my time but I've never made a contact at that freq.
Bob,
Ever give it much thought to start a sub-board for us 'lost ham radio guys'? I know we all have a lot of irons in the fire. Sometimes I feel guilty getting off topic. Just a thought
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:27 am » |
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Great Idea Tink.... I'll do dat...
in fact I just did... check it out its called "Ham Radio talk" and is a child board of "Other projects of interest"
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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2009, 12:36:18 am » |
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...---...---.....-----....--- Don't know if I wrote anything there but that's my best morse code, played around with CBs some but no ham, had a linear I believe was 200 watt in my truck, at night when I keyed up I could see the headlights dim, if I was within about 100' of an old volkswagon with the generator system it would shut it down, had some fun with that, they'd start to pull over, I'd let off the key and they would pull back out only to start pulling over again. hehehehe Still working on my new cell, figure I'll just go way overkill and under power it to see if I can cure the heat problem with good output, haven't had much time to work on it but have 45 washers on common allthread now, dunked er in koolaid filled pipe and got it to pull 60 amps, started pushing fluid out of the pipe so I stopped testing there, even with 101 washers it's still going to be small, there was only 1/2 gallon of electrolyte in the 3'X3"ID pipe I used to test, 9 packets of k-aid, I'm going to stick with the k-aid because it was maintenance free other than adding water, my 6 cell unit had thousands of miles with only adding water A-LOT it was thirsty, when I tore it down it WAS CLEAN, should be getting some time off soon, getting tired of all this homeland security stuff, lots of good guys lost their jobs because of past criminal records, I'm bouncing from one job to the next. Hey Bob, that Matt valve works wonders on a bunch of vehicles, what it's doing is fooling the computer into thinking the engine is running at a lower RPM, got a buddy that put one in his car along with a 41 plate washer cell, he didn't do anything with his O2 sensor and said it hasn't thrown a light, he hasn't gotten any mileage numbers yet but says the thing runs better then it did new. I'm not even sure what he's pulling for amps but made sure he used all the safety stuff, probably hear from him soon. gotta go
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2009, 01:14:21 am » |
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Hay ! ITs RANDY !
good to hear from you again my friend !
I want to try the switch plate covers using your method of insulating and spacing...and try to pump more amps into it....
there is the constant delima... build big and it will produce more , or build many small units and get more that way...
the problem is that its not really proven that building bigger (more plate area) equates into more gas volume... in fact it looks to be quite strange...in that it produces Less. but without proper testing thats still unclear.
but one thing is clear to me... the amps per square inch is crucial to a good working cell !
If you build bigger, then You MUST increase the amperage in order to get a decent output.
in your case Randy your using the same plates as you did in the Randy Cell, so I think you can simply
devide 11 (11plates in the Randy cell) into your 45 washer cell which is a bit over 4 times I think.... so 20amps x4= 80amps should do the trick... or a bit more
... you should be able to PUSH more amps at it than that too but your heat will sky-rocket if ya do
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...chances are you will get less than that... but who knows !
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2009, 01:21:37 am » |
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oh and your Morse code needs SPACES in it ....other wise its Gibberish ! HAHAHAHA
..--.. ..- -. -.. . .-. ... - .- -. -.. ..--..
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2009, 07:09:38 am » |
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Randy,
That was a neet trick but how did your linear affect the car ahead? Forgive me I'm not real electronic literate. I just know enough to get myself in trouble at times and have a lot of fun doing it.
Bob,
You've inspired me again. I have all those wall plates laying around and when I get time I'm going to play around with that 'Randy' design using them. I wish I could figure a way to use the Matt Valve with this K&N Filter Charger I'd really like to give that a try.
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2009, 09:39:20 pm » |
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OK Tink... take a Picture of your intake system (with the hood up obviously) post it here and I'll see if I can figure a way around it for ya ! <GRIN>
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Only if the Linnar amp is realy realy DIRTY ...<GRIN> will it take out a VW...
I had a 250 watt one that wouldn't do it for love nore money ! and a 100watt one that would !
infact I could use the 250 watt in a trailer park without interfeering with the neighbors TV at all
but the 100watt one turned their screen blank every time I keyed it up....
it took me a long time to get my HW101 clean enough to operate in that trailer park on 80meters but I finally accomplished it... (fringe area TV reception is a bear for allot of Hams! because a TV will recieve just about anything out there ! !)
and No the factory settings were not fine enough even though I sent it back to have them align it for me
it came back working better though... but still knocked out the TV every time I keyed up!
it took a Low pass filter and extensive ground system to cure the problem
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My Uncle Had a CB linniar that used to push close to 500watts and it too would stop all kinds of vehicles ! although I had many VW's in my time I never had that problem following the truckers
dunno what caused it but they definately DID loose spark when someone keyed up ! HAHAHAHA
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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2009, 09:16:35 am » |
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Yeah, I'm not sure why it shut them Volkswagen's down but it did, Hey just went out to the shop, I still have it, and a swr meter for setting standing wave, several mobile cb's and power mics, a president zachary t base unit, an antron 99 antenna on the roof, but nothing hooked up??, pulled muscles in my butt the other day, gimping around with some time off, but my lure business is booming so I guess I'll have to work anyway. got another pile of washers drilled out last night, might add to the stack if I get time this evening, I really think this thing will work well.
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2009, 03:12:59 pm » |
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Eh, probably the same reason that they started shielding plug wires. It used to be that just driving by a house would interfere with the TV because of the EMF emitted from the plug wires. Your radio was probably throwing EMF out on the right freq. to screw with the spark on the VW's. Remember, their engine isn't enclosed in a metal tub like most other vehicles. It's just sitting out in the open, ready and willing to accept interference. Their spark wasn't that hot and the plug wires weren't that thick, so that is my guess.
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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2009, 07:45:51 pm » |
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OK, Bob, I did was able to set my Canon A530 camara to 640x480 resoultion and will take some photos of my engine compartment (with the hood up!) and see if they are small enough to upload. Randy, those old President CB base atations were quite something in their day. I remember in the early 60's trying to watch Ed Sellivan show and hearing the guy down the street keying up on his radio. We just lived with it and never complained. Don't forget almost all spark plugs now have resisters in them to block the RFI.
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2009, 06:24:54 pm » |
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Hi, guys,
sorry I have not made a post in a bit, been very busy here. I'll try to check out the ham thread u started bob. I have a hw 101 with the power supply and speaker, also I have the sb 221 legal limit amp. I still have some other vintage gear from heathkit. Got to run for now.
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2009, 07:01:01 pm » |
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Hi guys,
I have a query for u. We have prob. all ran our output into a 5 gal. pail of water and put a torch to it, and have seen how volatile it is. I have been filling 16 oz. water Bottles and lighting them with a water proof fuse, nice demonstration of what we are injecting into our engines, but for some reason soda bottles do not seem to work, they just kind of fizz out. The only difference I can see is the type of cap, soda bottles have a plastic diaphragm, and the water bottles have non?
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2009, 08:17:08 pm » |
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remember hydroxy rises quickly, once you pull the hose from the water and elevate the hose it's empty, put the hose in the bucket and let it blow bubbles for about a minute before filling the bottle, I'm sure you'll see a difference. Or screw in some earplugs, get a small cup with water and dishsoap, keep the output hose lower then the cell, make a big pile of suds, light fuse and get away, use ear plugs please.
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2009, 08:28:15 pm » |
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Randy,
I fill my bottles with water in the 5 gal bucket, turn it upside down and then usethe gas to displace the water, filling the bottle with the gas.
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2009, 10:36:39 pm » |
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Geez Mike ! are you trying to kill yourself or what ?
I've filled a 36oz soda bottle full of hydroxy gas but never had the guts to try and light it ! LOL!
I think 16oz would probably take your hand clean off ! Stop doing that !
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as Randy said it rises very fast if you take the cap off even for a second and the bottle is upright the gas will escape !
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its hard to explain how volatile Hydroxy gas is and seeing it with your own eyes is definitely a learning experience !
I still worry about the relay sticking and filling the air box and crankcase with hydroxy gas and then trying to start the car again and becoming a ball of flame among the shrapnel !
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when I was experimenting trying to start the B&S 5hp on 100% hydroxy gas it backfired and exploded the gas in the bubbler only 2" of gas in a 2"i.d. tube.... but it sounded like a 12 guage shotgun and sent the cap a good 200ft in the air ...THROUGH tree limbs!
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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2009, 07:01:45 pm » |
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Bob I am quite careful, and I use water proof fuse I can cut to any length. Also when filling the bottle it is upside down for the bubles to displace the water I keep it this way when capping it so no hho can escape, and water bottles work every time, soda bottles never. I have forgotten mine on in the truck for a while and fired it up, no prob. but ur tube was able to pressurize with no volume for expansion.
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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2009, 01:29:16 am » |
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Wow! I get a kick out of filling a ballone and watching it fly up, way up out of sight. I'd be afraid to light one. Where do you get water proof fuses?  Tink |
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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2009, 05:41:06 am » |
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Hay Tink ...Do like Randy Did , but wait for the wind to be in the right direction toward your grumpy neighbor and fill a big balloon and put a length of fuse on it so it will go off just over their house ! .... HAHAHAHHAHA
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I have a few Valveless pulse jets I could fire up and rattle my neighbors windows from here.... but I think it would just make matters worse ! HAHHAHAHA
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Anyway ... I re drilled the holes in 16 of those wall switch plates... put just over a 3/8" hole top and bottom so the 1/4" blue gasline I have will fit in the hole easy... which it now does.
sliceing thin sections of the gas line will get me my "O-Rings" to keep each plate insulated from the other thredded rod...
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I think I will try just the plates I have now... though I may pick up 6 more to make it 22 plates... but its probably not nessary.
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my biggest problem right now is finding that SS shim stock Randy gave me ages ago.... I put it somewhere so I wouldn't loose it... but I can't remember where that was ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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I am thinking that a spaceing of 1/32" is about right if I can get it that close without having any touching problems...which I seriously doubt, as I tried that on the smack booster and had to use a spacing of 1/16" which the cell worked as they claimed and worked very well for a long time... till the plastic rod I used as all thread went away !
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but hooking up wall-switch plate covers using Randys stacking method is under way at this time.... it should take me a long time to get this done as I am doing too many things at the moment ! ...
I have to run back up to the Shingletown property again tomorrow to move more stuff...
will keep ya informed on my progress ...if any ! HAHAHHA
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« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2009, 07:26:09 am » |
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That would definettly make things worse!
So, my computer is working a lot better now that I did that defrag. No more slow down when typing a post.
Life is good.
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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2009, 12:59:28 pm » |
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Humm... good info to know there Tink thank you !
so if your computer slows down on its responce after about 50 to 60 lines here on a post.... de-fragging the computer will cure the problem..... at least it did on your machine... very interesting !
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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2009, 06:58:00 pm » |
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Sheesh, I defrag my computers weekly, I've got 5 and since my business is mostly internet based I can't afford failure, There's several other things that greatly speed up computers that I do also, I have people that know me bringing up their computers to go through all the time, I've been offered a job with microsoft but declined, I found the sasser virus, my comp got really slow doing all sorts of weird things, started poking around looking for the cause and found a file that was perpetually growing, checked properties and found no connection to any system functions so I deleted it and turned off system restore to get rid of any trace memory, everything was fine until I connected with the internet, there that stupid sucker was again, so I placed it in a zip file and sent it to microsoft, I'm sure as soon as they opened it their systems were infected, I got a thanks from them and the offer, two days later it was on the tv news, all you had to do to get it was log onto the internet, first one of that type. windows saves tons of temp and setup files that rob you of ram and disc space, updates for all programs cause dead links in registry, and registry errors. there's a great free utility that fixes these issues, I have a top end antivirus so I just run the cleanup tool, it fixes the registry also. here's the URL http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm It's from microsoft, who better to have mess with you're registry. Oh I forgot to mention, in the near future they'll be a new offering, I think it's called security essentials from microsoft, It'll eliminate the need for any antivirus?? I'm sure you;ll hear about it soon. |
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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2009, 07:23:07 pm » |
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Tink,
I have a good one for u, lol. It gets real cold here, and anything below 10% f u can take a drycleaning bag, put 2 straws together x 2 to make an cross, tape them together and them tape them to the bag. I cut slits in the straws and put 8 birthday candles in the straws and whala a hot air balloon. I work winters next to an airport which has lifelite, a emergency helicopter. Well my winter hours start at 4 am. So around 5 am I sent one up, just happened lifelite was running a training ex. at that time. They spotted the balloon and hovered over it, blow it, beside it, lol. They never did figure out what it was, lol. My friend runs a diner at the airport and herd the pilots talking about it, she knew right away who the culprit was, and told me about it, the pilots still don't know, lol.
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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2009, 07:29:11 pm » |
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Bob,
What are valveless pulse jets? And don't feel bad bob I AM younger than u and can't remember the lenght of my nose, I think it is because we try to multi task.
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« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2009, 10:28:23 pm » |
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Randy,
That's pritty cool! When I worked in Seattle I wholesaled computer stuff to a lot of Microsoft workers (their all contract workers) and they all said the same thing....MS is good for the resume but they all couldn't wait to get away after a 2 year stint. I think I heard Leo Laport talking about that virus thing last week on the podcast.
Bob,
It was slowing down after just 10 lines. And only on this fourm. Although my system does run better all around after the defrag. So, what are valveless puls jets anyway?
Mike,
I wonder if that will work here when the temp is -10 and 5% humidity?
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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2009, 05:37:58 pm » |
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Yes Tink anything below 10 degrees f with 8 birthday candles.
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2009, 08:02:02 pm » |
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I'll tell ya about my valveless Pulsejets in the other projects section... hehehehe
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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2009, 08:32:09 pm » |
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not sure what that means Bob?
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« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2009, 08:59:06 pm » |
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heheh ok here follow the link ! http://www.hydroxyhut.com/index.php/topic,341.0.htmlthat should get ya there... Bob.... |
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« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2009, 08:02:41 pm » |
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yes found it bob, thanks.
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