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« on: June 28, 2009, 03:45:56 am » |
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Hi all,
been a while since I have made any posts or worked on the gen. Winters are busy for me, I plow snow, also the gen. does not work in cold weather. We get -30 f and then some here at times. It finally warmed up and I made the time to rework my gen. which was giving me 2lpm.
I will give a quick rundown of my setup. My plate design is a spin-off of "umpqua energy" which as of 2008 was selling them for $895 with a 2 lpm output. I have not been in the ring for a while so I'm not sure what is out there now. I will give all the specs in a later post, but my plates are 8" by 8" with 3/4 " of gasket all around, giving me 6.5" by6.5" of surface area per plate. Plate spacing is 3/16 ", wilth a total of 8 plates. Mix is 1to 4 by weight wilth koh. I use a pwm designed by fossil "fuels" and modified by gary at "chemelec" to contrlol duty cycle, freqency, and current, so u don't have to worry about the runaway effect when it starts warming up.
The bubbler is basically standard design, with many check valves. On the fill side I use a check valve to allow air to enter the gen. without trying to draw it back in from the bubbler, as it cools and contracts it needs to draw air in to equaliZe pressure. I have built a circuit to "trick out" the o2 sensors but have not yet had the time to install it. I have just got the gen. tested and installed with the mods. I made this summer, and have not even run a full tank of fuel thru it.
I am employing it in a 2004 f-250 deisel, and was getting about a 3mpg increase last summer with 2 lpm. There is no foaming, and plate heating is minimul. The pwm circuit should handle up to 90 amps if built properly, and with the large heat sink I built it only gets luke warm at 48 amps. My truck has 2 alternators and 2 batteries, and I feel 48 amps will not tax it to much.
I will try to catch up on the latest and keep everybody posted as to my endevors. I could deffinitely notice the difference in torc, esp. at the low end rpm's.
Best to all,
Mike,
AB2DF.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2009, 07:35:04 am » |
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I'm waiting with baited breath for your results! I've been messing (to put it mildly) around with the new Smack Booster tero design and am rebuilding it now. It got too hot at 25 amps! With an EFIE I was seeing some increase in mpg (maby 2 or 3mpg) at 2LPM hho. I don't know how much time I'll have this summer to dedicate to the hho genny since I'm also working on a 1000 watt wind turbine and a single wire Yagi antenna and an outside stone oven to bake my famous sour dough bread. I can't wait till the day I can retire and then have the time to complete all these projects. As it is I'm like a bouncing ball going from one project to another not completing any. As gas goes up I get on the HHO project as gas goes down I work on the wind turbine all the time thinking about how much quieter the single wire Yagie beam would be over the Horizontal extended lasy H.
Do keep us posted!
Tink
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 01:25:43 am » |
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Yes Please Keep us informed on your progress... its seldome that anyone runs a engine of any kind with more than 2LPM and I am hoping your larger volume of 4LPM will net you Realy big improvements !....
please keep us posted !
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I havn't got to touch my generators at all.... too busy moving still ! UGH !
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 01:37:28 pm » |
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Tink,
a single wire yagi ?
I always thought that yagis were directional comprising if reflector and director elements as well as the dipole section. A bit like tv antenna.
Please enlighten me.
Manta
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 07:34:29 pm » |
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Yes indeed... eather its a real weird animal or Mis=named, as many antennas are... i'ed be interested in that antenna to Tink <grin>
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 08:17:43 pm » |
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Hi all,
Sorry Bob for not giving u greetings, been a while and I have been busy, got caught up in the vicious cycle. Forgot this is the forum where u now hang out. U should remember me from the haydays, on dan weills website. we started about the same time. I was the one that managed to get 4 lpm, but had to do it in a round about way by heating it up and then hooking in plate number 8. This is the reworked model and no need for plate 8. Because I have been away I woulld like it if u would update me on the progress with dan weills design? Sorry to here u are moving, I think it would take me 2 yrs just to move my tools and equipment, lol. Thats why I am putting in a double wide where I am now. Still have to move everything to the garage, not an easy feat, lol.
I have a couple of tidbits for the plate design, but I am in the middle of cooking supper, so I wont get to in depth on it, it involves filling the cell with distilled h2o, it seems there is a problem with the distilled water mixing with the electrolyte, which make s sence, sirry fir the spelling, when I fill mine I do it from one side which leaves pure h2o on 1 side and pushes the electrolyte to the other creating an incansistancy, which will cause it to foam. Also I found u should not refill it when it is hot. This again will create a tendency to foam. I have not found an answer to the filling probllem, but I have a couple of ideas. I have to further test the problem and make sure this is what is happening, if so I have a fairly simple fix for it.
Thats it for now, wish I had more time.
Mike,
AB2DF.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 08:49:30 pm » |
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Hi all,
Yes a yagi is usually, basicly 2 or more dipoles in a plane puportioned to give it a gain in that plane, horiz., verticle.
Mike,
AB2DF.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 10:24:36 pm » |
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Bob, Mike, Manta,
Sorry to miss-name that single wire antenna. It appears on page 38 of the new QST mag. (July). The author mentions it has the gain of a Yagi. He calls it a HGSW for High Gain Single Wire. Of course it can't be rotated.
Bob or Ferral,
How do I insert an image in this message. I can't figure how to place an image where my name goes either. I wanted to show you guys my 3 homebrew towers that are 30 feet taller than the 10 foot trees we have here. I guess I'm not as smart as I thought I was!
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 03:21:41 am » |
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Bob or Ferral,
How do I insert an image in this message. I can't figure how to place an image where my name goes either. I wanted to show you guys my 3 homebrew towers that are 30 feet taller than the 10 foot trees we have here. I guess I'm not as smart as I thought I was!
For the images, attach them. (Expand the "Additional Options" then look for the bold "Attach" and "browse" for your image. Repeat as desired, up to 4 per post as of this witting. Mind the size of the images.) For the avatar image (picture under name) From your profile (select "Profile" above) select "Forum Profile Information". Select "I will upload my own picture:" and then "browse" to your image.  |
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 02:36:06 am » |
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Mike !
as far as I know nothing has changed activity took a nosedive in winter and is slowly picking back up.... as the price of gasoline climbs so will interest in HHO !
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yah this winter was one of the worst for us in many a year... loosing Grandma and all the garbage that goes with that is probably the worst of it, but add the Bankruptcy not closing because My mother died is enough to drive me postal ! GRRRRR ! but not a thing I can do about it.... now they will take my place up here in the mountians... better that then let them get their greedy fingers on the Ranch I was raised on.... so I'm moving my stiff to the ranch and boy I have to admit ..
.....I AM A PACKRAT! LOL
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 07:56:26 am » |
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Feral,
Thanks for the instructions. The photo Iwanted to insert is way too big. At 1.5mega bite I'll have to get out the old Sony Mavica and shoot it at 640x800 VGA resoultion. I hope I still have a 3.5" floppy laying around somewhere. I guess I'm a pack rat too, just hate to throw out old technology.
Bob,
Anyhow how is it coming with that Toyota of yours? My Smack Tero cell is just laying on my work bench all taken apart waiting for me to reassemble it.
Tink
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 02:21:11 pm » |
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Feral,
Thanks for the instructions. The photo Iwanted to insert is way too big. At 1.5mega bite I'll have to get out the old Sony Mavica and shoot it at 640x800 VGA resoultion. I hope I still have a 3.5" floppy laying around somewhere. I guess I'm a pack rat too, just hate to throw out old technology.
Perhaps load the image you have into ms paint or the image editing program of your choice and save as a jpeg?(a .jpg extension) -- that is a very good format for photographs. You can also resize/resample your existing image as well which will cut down on the size as there will be less information to store an all, of course. But er I digress from the topic so I shall desist. |
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 09:18:03 pm » |
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Tink....
on my camara there is a setting for picture QUALITY.... (and ofcorse its missnamed, it should be SIZE) because it has Excellent, good and poor settings and their size goes from monstriously big to 320x200.... so I use the "good" setting which is close to 1024x768 in rez....
almost all camaras have a resoultion setting... some have it mis-named but you get the idea! HAHAHAHA
Bob........
you could send them to me and I'll resize them for ya tink and send them back.... not a problem....
I know you have my email address <GRIN> so its not a problem
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2009, 01:19:29 am » |
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Tink....
you have perked my curiosity now on that antenna.
sounds like a new breed indeed... I love wire antennas I had a mutable dipole for80,40&20meters
but I liked the 40M horizontal loop the best fed with 1/4wave of 75Ohm coax i believe it was...
but its all taken down now and rolled up in a maze of wire ! LOL
... I hope to get a 80m horizontal loop up some day but getting it high enough is a real pain with one that big...
However sense my liscnses has probably expired I am reluctant to put any effort into antennas of late.... I do love my 2meter Kenwood as it gives great comunications no matter where I am.
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I wish I had a dollar for every hour I spent on cw on 80 meters...but that was years ago...and my morse-code is so rusty I'ed have truble reading 10wpm.... to say the least!
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anyway... when I was into antennas back in the 1980's the "Bazooka" was considered a real go getter ... but I never made one...unfortionately <GRIN>
i worked on very short antennas on 80m for years on the cw portion of the band... when I finally got my advanced class liscnses i realy nad no want to go voice at all... but we moved and I finally got set up again and then my radio started dieing ... so I sort'a lost interest on all but 2m ... and even that lost its charm...so now I am station-less.... but ya never know I may get the bug again...I seriously doubt I will take the tests again though.... so I guess that leaves me out for now.... as I am sick of playing other peoples games....just to live !
but as ever I am interested in antennas and am courious as to what it is like ...
how about a discription eh ?
( I don't get QST)
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2009, 02:39:09 pm » |
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Bob,
I used to be a radio op' in the Army, back in the late 60's. I said I would get my license some day, and around 1983 I did so. 2 metre only. But like you didn't keep up the yearly fees; so it's gone. Mind you, the internet came along and changed my direction.
73's
Manta (ex M1BZD)
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