I put the "Smack booster" on the R-22 toyota Pickup.

[Bob]

Hi guys !...
well with all the running back and forth I have been doing I got to thinking gee stupid ! why not put a Hydroxy generator on there and get some better milage out'a the toyota pickup ! ....like DUH!
well I got looking at my supply of Hydroxy generators and all are tore down but the Old "Smack-Booster".... so I said what the heck and grabed it and tossed it in the truck... took about 15 min to hook it all up to the old hookups and was ready to test it.... it pegged my 30 amp meter very hard...which I thought it might... so I brought the water hose over and shot water into the generator till it over flowed a good while and then tried it again.... just under 30 amps
and thats what I wanted so I let it run for a few min....got foam all over the place and in general got very messy ! finally I got the water level down in the main cell by letting it fill the bubbler and then takeing it OUT of the bubbler... then it finally stopped pushing out the electrolyte.... DUH!
 I figured as it warmed up it might push out more into the engine as I drove along.... sure enough it did ! and it staggered a bit now and then on the way back up the hill.... however the proformance was increased a great deal and it was smothing out nicely...
unfortionately it did injest some of the electrolyte, and I am not happy with that... but i figure sense i turned it off at the turnoff to my place it got about 3 miles of "burning OFF" the excess of electrolyte at any rate!
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I cept very carefull track over the last month or so on my gas mileage on the little pickup... best I ever got was 32.5MPG and worst was 29.7 but the avrage was almost alwayse 31.5mpg....to 32.2mpg
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when I used the "Randy cells"on the truck last summer I doubled my milage from 22MPG to 40~42MPG.... a very consistant 40mpg at any rate depending on my travel speed.
  So... sense I have a "Matt Valve" on the truck now and have been getting 31mpg instead of the 22~24mpg.(before I started any of this)...
I stand a good chance of getting realy decent mileage out of this thing.
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although I did install the Matt Valve during the "Randy cell" Test its possable that the "Matt-Valve" made the biggest difference ....
be that as it may , if I get realy good gas milage with the "Smack booster" running at 30 amps I would say its because I'm getting more HHO than when I was useing the "Randy cells" Simply because they were so darn dirty ! and by no means does it mean the "Randy cell" design is a bad cell design, it just means "I screwed up" and let them get far too dirty and that dropped production to almost nothing... ....that I already Know... just want you guys to be clear on that...learn from my mistakes ! HAHAHHA
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I dunno what My version of the "Smack booster" will do at 30amps... maybe 3~4LPM at the absoulte Max... probly closer to an even 2LPM if the truth were known ! HAHAHAHAHA
will it over heat?  More than likely yes !  do I care.... NO !
LOL
as long as it don't melt down under the hood I'll be happy!
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I did notice when I pulled into the drive way and turned the unit back on to check the amp draw ( Hood up, guage is by the battery!) that the cell was drawing 35~38 amps on the 30 amp guage...almost pegging it. so I need to back down the electrolyte a bit more, which I will probably do this morning before I do another run down to the ranch.
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 it will be interesting to see the results after a few runs back and forth to the Ranch... bound to save me a few sheckels anyway....
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FWIW
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Bob.......

[Bob]

Ok so Down and back to the Ranch I went this afternoon... ran so quietly going down I had to check to see if the engine quit ! ...
I turned off the Generator before going in the 2 mile bumpy road...
and on my return trip I turned it back on at the same place....
got about 3/4 the way home and the truck staggered ... I thought thats kind'a odd... wonder whats up.... I should'a stopped but trafic was very heavy and I just kept on going.... turned off the generator at hwy 44 on my approach and glided in for a landing, backed into the drive way and turned the unit on and raised the hood to check the amps as is my usual practice.... and OOOPS the pop off top was missing off the top of the generator!
... I thought well fooie there goes my pop off cap...another $3 bucks down the drain... turned off the truck and got my diode flishlight and what-da-ya-Know there was the pop off cap...setting on the Upper A-arm of the frame!
I grabed it it looked fine , added water to the cell that was almost empty and put the cap on and tightened it down.... which it was Loose to begin with ... I guess I forgot to tighten it when I put it on this afternoon! ... and lacking any wire handy I didn't tie it down eather...DUH!
anyway... hard to say where it popped off at but I suspect about the place I finally got arround the slow-poke  and that was more than 3/4 the way home.
so probably 1/2 of that trip was of no consiquance because it was at the very least still loose on the generator... and the gas probably just excaped  instead of going to the engine.
... I did have the caps off at the ranch.... guess I didn't tighten them both good!
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Oh well.... at least I didn't loose the cap ! talk about LUCKY ! HAHAHAHA
see.... not everything that happens to me is BAD ! .... try to convince my sister of that though is hard to do ! HAHAHAHA
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anyway after re filling the cell I checked the amps and it was about 32amps....  now you'll note that I have emptied that cell about 3 times now and its still drawing 30+ amps.... I want to get it down to about 25 to 28amps so when it heats up it won't go over 30 amps.... but I'm not there yet  it seams!  HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
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and Like a dummy I added water from a jug that was regular water... not distilled,deminerilized water like I should have.... didn't think of that till I was done and takeing my hot boots off.... maybe I'll do that tomorrow...flush it good and give it a new batch of electrolyte!
....I don't want this cell getting like the "Randy Cells" did last year...
I got a feeling its already starting to get that way... so I better act fast
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Just a minor update on my progress!
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Bob.......

[Bob]

Ok another update on the results...
My Smack booster is obviously not working worth beans.... at near 30 amps (28.5amps) it looks to be putting out a mear 1/2LPM... so I opened the generator top and looked inside to discover that the plates are not in a stright line anymore and the negitive connecting bar on the top is loos and flopping around...
 So...it looks as if the plastic all thred I made for it snapped in half...
more than likely I tightened it down too hard in last assembly... it isn't shorting out just not all the plates are working ! ... so  its back to the work bench with that one too !
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because of my Gas milage reading I knew something was amiss... I filled up and calculated my MPG at only 31.5MPG.... and I have got better than that without the hydroxy unit on the truck ! so I knew it wasn't working very good..... got home and looked closer and sure enough, its borked!
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I was also experienceing more missing while going down the road than usual
... I did notice that the missing went away when the unit was turned off...
as of right now I don't know what is causeing it... I suspect my "Matt valve" is opened up a bit too far for useing the Hydroxy unit...but don't know that for certain
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Just so you know...
Bob.........

[b1jetmech]

Bob, do you have pictures of the "smack" because I have been watching "smack booster" on you tube and was wondering if it was the same booster.

Chase

[Bob]

I'm sure there's one in the photo section...
Bob..

[Feral]

http://www.hydroxyhut.com/index.php/topic,63.0.html

I think http://www.hydroxyhut.com/index.php/topic,63.msg572.html#msg572 last I looked, but that was a bit ago.

[Tink]

b1jetmech,
Bob,

I got one of those new Smack Boosters and it worked really good until I ran too many amps through it (25amps) and got the horrible brown stuff. I think if you leave it at 16 amps it will work well. At 16 amps I was getting 1/2 in 20 seconds. I figure I'll have to put two of them on my Toyota 22-RE to get any signaficant MPG increase and that is using a EIFE too. Now I'm out of money and waiting for my boat to come in. I'm considering a dual battery hook up and a bigger alternator and runing each off it's own battery. What do you think of this Bob? By the way those new Smack Boosters need bigger bubblers and those aquarium filter thingies are a joke. Other than that I like the design and it shows potential. If I could find 2, 75watt solar panels at a good price and another good L16 battery I'd go that way instead of a bigger alternator. Then there would be no strain on the engine.
Tink

[Bob]

Well Tink...
 a Duel Altenator system has allot going for it...remember an altenator doesn't realy have much drag if the batteries are charged up and there is no load on the system... however the bigger the load the more HP it takes to keep up.
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 Personally I think I will replace the altenator I have in my pickup with a 200amp altenator (or bigger if I can get it!) 
 I am thinking REPLACEing it because of a few reasons... lack of v-belt places is the biggest deturant to having a duel system for me !...and then the mounting problem...for a 2nd altenator...
all-in-all its just easier to replace the exhisting altenator with a hudge altenator than to try to find room under the hood for another altenator and another battery.
thats my personal opinion,is all and there is a gillion ways to go about it... "what ever floats your boat buddy!"  <GRIN>
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I am planning on rebuilding my "Smack booster" into a different form, and get rid of the "Netural Plate" theme in it..... make it a +-+-+-+-+-+ type configuration. a few reasons for this is the fact that I already have the wall-switch plate covers in the "smack-booster" and its just a matter of dissassembling it.  and sense I have had so much better luck with the +-+-+- configuration I doubt i can go wrong by utilizeing it in a single cell.
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 Output ?  now that is a very good question... chances are it won't produce as much as a "Randy cell" but.... if its easier to build it can't be all bad ! HAHAHAHAHA
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time will tell.
perhaps 6 individual cells of 16 wall switch plate covers, in series all hooked in parallel may well give me the output I need.... I dunno... or perhaps 2 cells in series, in a bank of 3 in parallel.... to cut down on the heat....
one thing for sure there is not enough room under the hood for that.... finding room is a challenge in anycase !!!!
probably it will go in the pickup bed ! HAHAHAHA
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Bob.......


 

[Tink]

Bob,
My thought was to run a bigger alternator(single one not two) and two batteries. Then run 2 boosters one off each battery. Only pulling 16 amps off each battery to keep the heat down. As for room under the hood mount the batteries behind the seat. One on each side. It is easy to do this. My single battery behind the seat is working great and stays a lot cleaner too. Hooking up the batteries in parrellel will give me double the amps (ineffect) I can draw from the batteries and keep the volts the same.
Tink

[Bob]

All i gott'a say Tink is you GOTT'A be SHORT ! my seat is 1 notch from all the way back... barely room for the tire iron and comealong back there ! HAHAHAHAHA
..... One battery is enough because the charger is doing all the work to keep up.... its not like I run the hydroxy generators with the engine not running....
.... what ever trips ur trigger ! as long as it does the job for ya !
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Bob.....

[Tink]

OK, Bob,
You could go one step farther and mount the battery in the bed of the truck. I think you're right about only needing one battery. The alternator will be doing all the work. I still dream of the day I can be running around with 2 75watt solar panels on my truck and 2 L16 batteries in the bed running 3 or 4 LPM of HHO with no drain on the engine.
Tink

[Bob]

Actually Tink I was thinking of getting one of the shinnie polished alumimum toolboxes for the bed of the truck and putting the Hydroxy generators in it and pipeing the gas to the engine under the bed.... that would make a clean sanitary instilation... I could leave the battery where it is under the hood and replace the altenator with a 200amp to 300 amp one and power 6 to 8 cells in the bed of the truck and have enough to power the truck on 100% hydroxy gas...and only need to fill the truck once or twice a year.... sense I will keep the gas system in it and working/running ....
at least thats the Plan...at the moment...but I have so many irons in the fire at the moment its hard to say what will take place this summer.... I am trying to move 4 cars 50 miles that don 't run
and without a car trailer thats hard to do... I do have a tow bar but I havn't had much luck with them in the past and heasitate to try useing it again! its a good one... just its a tow bar...<GRIN>
...takes a bigger heavy truck to tow anything like that than my toyota pickup! HAHAHAA
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Bob.......

[Bob]

Anyway.... the "Smack Booster" on the truck was a Let down...not because  HHO doesn't work, its simply because My "Smack Booster" BROKE ! and failed to produce anywhere near its usual output.
... However that smackbooster Has indeed been a good reliable hard working cell that produced 2LPM at 20 amps when it was working good... but with the plastic All thred snapping for what ever reason
it leaves me without a working Hydroxy cell at this time.   and I simply don't have the spare time to build up another right now...
... My truck was Missing a bit so I backed off the "Matt Valve" just a bit and that cured the problem.... at last check I am still getting 30+MPG from the truck but sense I changed the Matt-Valve's setting I expected that to change...and it didn't seam to at all to my supprize!
....so I was glad to see that !
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  I am beginning to believe 6 seperate individual cells in the back of the truck is the way to go... of what ever type Randy cells, Smack-boosters or what ever... it may well be a big hassel
but I if I want the larger volume of Hydroxy gas I may have to go the route!
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Bob........

[Bob]

Just an UP-DATE on the "Smack Booster's" Demise....
I took the Smack booster apart the other night at something like 3:00am and discovered that at every NUT
the nylon/plastic threaded Rod I had made out of vinition blind handles that I picked up at Ace hardware had all broke... each threaded rod was sheered in half in at least 4 places... it was amazing to me that it came out in one piece.... but it did ! hehehehe
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the question is what caused this to happen... error on assembly by tightening the nuts too tightly?
or the long time in the KOH ?
  I am thinking that its the long exposure and higher heat of the larger amp draw I was using that stressed the plastic threaded rod into failure.... the KOH evidently made the plastic more brittle
and the heat and expansion and contraction was more than the plastic could take and snapped.
SO.... any of you that followed my assembly procedures of making a "Smack booster" may well need to keep the amps down or suffer the same fate !
... in truth I do Not know what caused it to happen...all I know is that the plastic rod I used came out in 1/4" long sections !!!!!!   there is a 1" section on each rod that didn't brake... out of the 4" long pieces of threaded plastic rod I made.
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so ...
  Live and learn I guess !
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Bob.........