Can a Hydroxy generator work without EFEI inhansors ?

[Bob]

thanks for the Link Lee !
...that's a big cell !
you put many hours into making that cell ...Congrats on your accomplishments !
you even have decent size wires feeding the plates ! something most people over look ...GOOD WORK!
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I haven't done any calculating on your cell at all but I am guessing that you could pump in 75 amps and get a really big output if you had some way of cooling down the electrolyte!
...but that means a bigger alternator, and higher amp circuit breakers and a bunch of other stuff...
but I'd really like to see your results in that truck with 1LPM per 1liter of engine displacement...
and I think you could get that from your cell !
...just a suggestion...
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Bob...

[Lee Hazleton]

Bob,
    I looked at my camera & don't see any wat to adjust the size of photos.
I'll have to see if there's a way to make them smaller.

[Bob]

Typically its in the resolution of the pictures in the settings... my camera has "good-better-best"(of all the stupid things! God forbid you may know what a 800x600 rez is!)  hehehe anyway I haven't seen a camera yet that will allow you to size a picture AFTER you've taken it... you have to take the picture in the wanted resolution... that's how they work it.
there are many free ware programs out there on the web that allow you to re-sample a picture and make it any size you want... and usually they give you a choice of the type of file you want to save it as!
but... unfortunately I don't know where to send you to get such a program... Perhaps Feral will read this and make a suggestion...hard to say. perhaps a google search on "Picture resizing" might get ya something.
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Have you tried more amps with that cell yet Lee ?
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Bob....

[Lee Hazleton]

LOL   Bob, I know ya can't change the size after shooting. Damn, I'm not that dumb
I just e-mailed some to myself at work. I was able to make them smaller with the e-mail program, so I'll see if I can post them later tonight.
As far as running higher amps, haven't yet. I'm waiting for a new shipment of KOH. When I get it, I'll make a 'good'
batch of e/lyte. 28% (2lbs per gallon), then set my PWM really low & slowly raise the amps to 25. My mixture right now
is only about 15%.

[Bob]

LOL  OOOk just making sure ! HEHEHEHEHE
Didn't mean to insult your intelligence Lee... <GRIN>
not all of us are computer savy !  at one time I could do anything with the computer you'ed ever want..
including use it to turn on your house lights and such... BUT then WINDOWS came along...and if that wasn't bad enough Object Oriented Programing in C++ and Now... I just follow my Kids lead ! LOL
... I went to the Local College and got a piece of paper that said I was a computer repair tech. but after about 2000 resumes...I gave up trying to get a job in that field.... that was years and years ago
... now I'm more confuzed than ever on these computers... we don't run the computers we run Programs !
and each program can be very strange indeed !
... HAHAHAHAHAHA
 I'm still waiting for artificial intelligence ...
 then I'll tell my AI computer what I want, and keep it guessing ! LOL "pay back will be sweet!"
LOL
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Bob......

[Lee Hazleton]

Ok, lets see if this works.
Guess it did!

[Bob]

Woot ! Fantastic ! thank you for posting those pics !
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after looking over the monster I still don't know how you have the plates wired up...
but it looks like 3 separate cells, and using neutral plates between the powered plates looks to be 5 or 6 plates between the powered ones !
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Definitely looks like a serious cell !
only possible problem I can see is the electrolyte inlet and outlet fittings having them 3/4" or even 1"
wouldn't hurt at all... that is if you start pushing large amounts of amperage... with 20~25amps they should do just fine !... but larger volumes say 5LPM and up need about 3/4" hose fittings...larger is better because the least bit of restriction will add to the heating problem...
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if I had that cell on my truck I'ed pump 40 amps into it and probably get 50mpg in the proccess!
Good work!, and very well done !
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Bob.....

[Bob]

Oh and My Kid tells me you can use "Paint" in windows to resize pictures...its not very good of a program but every one has it because it comes with windows!  ...I dunno how to do that with "Paint" but if My Kid says it can be done then you can bet on it ! LOL !
(see Tink...you had the ability all the time and didn't even know it ! HAHAHA)
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Bob....

[Lee Hazleton]

Thanks for the 'atta-boys', Bob. I've got 5 bi-polar (neutral) plates in each stack.
That way, each cell gets 1.97 volts which is a prime target area to split the molecules.
Cell is configured: +NNNNN-NNNNN+NNNNN- .  19 plates, 18 cells, 3 stacks.

[Bob]

Kool Thank you !
I'ed call that 3 cells myself but that's ok ! heheh  I ain't that particular !
I'ed say 5 neutrals is about perfect for that cell because you want to keep the distance between the powered plates as close as possable...from what I understand anyway.
and as you mentioned the voltage is critical as well... I herd that 2vdc per plate is in the ball park
however I have never understood how your supposed to measure the voltage on the plates !
my cells are all parallel hookup and all receive 12~14vdc...  and I've only messed with one cell that had neutral plates in it.... haven't made a dry cell yet, but plan to...so I have allot to learn STILL!
LOL
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Bob.......

[Lee Hazleton]

Even when I used to build wet cells I still ran 5 neutrals. That way, you can run a higher concentration of KOH with less heat.

[Bob]

You can still run a high concentration of Electrolyte running a Parallel cell, chances are you'll top out around 70 to 80 amps max (if that!) but you simply power it with a PWM if you want 20 amps or so.
  Personally I Prefure the Parallel Hookup in a Hydroxy cell... but I have No data that tells me one is better than the other... I just like knowing that the power is getting to each plate <GRIN>
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 I understand that when building a Dry cell you need to use High quality Stainless steel because of the Neutral plates... its very important that the plates be Non Magnetic because the neutral plates are being energized by the electro-magnetic field on the powered plates... if the metal is magnetic it creates a resistance and thuss heat when energizeing the neutral plates....
 does this sound correct to you Lee ?
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I know you said you used 304 grade stainless steel in your plates , I don't know if that is high quality or low quality in stainless steel.... is it at all magnetic ? can you pick up a piece of scrap with a magnet ?
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Bob
 

[Lee Hazleton]

The better the stainless is, the better it's gonna work. The best is 316L (L= low sodium).
I used 304. It's an excellent quality stainless and is much cheaper. I wasn't going to spend more than I had to on something that I had never done before. In the future, I'll use the 316L.
No, the 304 is not magnetic. Getting back to one of your earlier posts, each gap between plates is a cell.
Each group of cells within 2 powered plates is a stack. So, with 19 plates I've got 18 cells in 3 stacks.
      +NNNNN-NNNNN+NNNNN-       2 pos, 2 neg, 15 bipolar.                                                               Some people run 4 or less neutrals and think they are running good MMW's. They're not! With set-ups like these, they run hot & 3/4 of the output is steam. These set-ups must also run a low KOH percentage. The lower the KOH percentage, the more amperage it takes to split the molecules. Wasted amps= heat.
    Just for sh#ts & giggles, I re-installed my dual O2 EFIE. It works well with the new FS2 chip. The mileage seemed to increase even more with the additional 350mv..
    I'll just bet that you can tell how busy I am at work, huh?

[Bob]

HAHAHA  thanks for that info. !
so what is the Fs2 chip anyway ? never hurd of it !
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Bob...

[Lee Hazleton]

Never heard of the FS2? OK, Fred Flintstone
It's a chip that takes 5 mins. to install. Pretty much automatically tunes the ECU specially for HHO use.
I highly recommend the use of these! They're only $86 at the moment Well worth it!
http://yhst-19807630266082.stores.yahoo.net/
It will basically find & tune the proper map in the ECU and make necessary changes to inject the least amount of fuel possible.