new cell--reults

[binderguy]

Hi again guys, Jim here. Finished my new gen. yesterday and got it installed so thought I would share the results. First off, the gen is two cell arrays in an open bath. Arrays are 7 ss condiment cups. Wiring is +nn-nn+ and they are in parallell. I also decided to use the baking soda/vinegar mix for electrolite. I do want to use koh, however finances at this time do not allow it.
OK, heres what happened upon hookup. The only way I have to test it is on the truck so when I got it hooked up I turned on the juice. Setup is 30amp circuit breaker with a 30 amp relay to turn it on/off from the cab. The top 3/4 of the bath immediately turned into a white fog of bubbles, amp draw hit 25, and I could put my finger over the gas outlet to block it off for 3-5 seconds and there was enough pressure builup to make an very audible "poof" when I removed my finger. Outlet is 3/8", bath is 1 gallon jar. Not very scientific I know, however I will do an lpm test with a 2 liter bottle soon. So my impressions are-- Need to make the electrolite weaker. I used 1/3 elect mix, 2/3 purified water. Water is purified with a brita filter, not distilled. Need a weaker solution to lower the amp draw, starting cold at 25 amps is, I think too much
The bs/vin mix seems to be a great producing electrolyte, Will watch it closely to see if I get a goo formation. Hoping that the vinegar will countract the goo formation of staight bs.
So there you have it. I do have access to quite a bit of ss, I have an old pedestal barbecue that is entirely ss. Dont know the grade, however it was used for food so should be a good quality. Would like to hear everyones views on this because I  am considering doing a plate cell also since I have the ss. As far as the cups go, the spacing is quite close. It is done by using short pieces of wire ties between the cup walls. Its held together by a nylon bolt running up through the center and there are 4 small holes drilled around the center hole for good circulation between the plates. Looking forward to your comments. Later, Jim. 

[Manta]

I'll be interested to see your LPM results.  Well done.

Manta

[Bob]

Good Work Jim !
sounds like you need large wires if you are to run that amperage...
not a thing wrong with that , by the way... more amps Usually means More Output.... and Lord knows we need all we can get...
25 to 30 amps should get you a fairly good production... and Hopefully your truck will Love it.... just don't forget that when adding HHO you need to reduce the fuel as well to see any benifits !
... the more HHO you add the more fuel you can take away...
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I'm looking foward to seeing your 2liter bottle test ! Go for it !
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Bob........

[b1jetmech]

Fill that baby up!

[Bob]

at 2LPM I could close off the line and count to 5 and then release and I got a woosh as well.... 2lpm is quite a bit of production coming from nothing but water and electricity...but unfortionately its not much in the way of feeding an auto engine !
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I still want to try 5LPM on my 2.5liter toyota truck and see what that gets me as far as gas mileage goes....
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with My Matt Valve finely adjusted I have been getting a very consistant 30.2MPG .... and Originally I was getting 22 to 24MPG ...
when I added my 2LPM Randy cell to the truck I got 40+MPG
and one time I even got 45mpg... but the usual was 40 MPG
so 23mpg to 40MPG is 18mpg gain....
if I can do that good while getting 30mpg my Mileage will be near 48MPG
.... and that was only with 2LPM....
.... More LPM will surely put me over 50MPG !
... I just wish I had time to play with it now ! HAHAHAHHA
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Bob.......

[Cowboy]

Nice!  You may have fixed a kink in my condiment cup thoughts.  If the current draw is a problem, you can run a dual feed set-up.  Run two grounds, to positives, two breakers, two relays, and one switch.  This will also allow you to push more current per array.  Production could jump significantly.

[Bob]

Condiment cups Should be a great Compact cell !, if you think of them as large disks, that are compacted in size and shape they cover a bunch of surface area each....the problem for me is I couldn't get them close enough togather for my liking I like plate spacing below 1/16" at max.
... and even useing plastic zip tie pieces between each cup to assure plate seperation, the end results were far from perfect...
I am thinking that it would make a great Hydroxy gen for the motorcycle
however.... small compact and more than likely a hefty output...
but my bike has chargeing problems as it is... it doesn't need any more of a load on the system right now ! HAHAHAHHA
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oh... just incase you havn't thought about it.... make sure you don't mount the cndiment cups Upside down... they will fill with gas and become useless. <GRIN>  right side up seams to work real good  though... I took  8 cups or so drilled a 3/8" hole in the center of each cup and ran a Nilon thredded rod through them...seperated each cup with zip tie pieces to keep the spaceing constant... and then stalled out on how to wire each cup to power...as I wanted a parallel hookup.
...thats about as far as I got with that one...
never did hook it up to power... but was planning on it being a "In a dip" type of generator.
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fwiw
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Bob......