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Bob
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« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2009, 01:15:02 pm »

Howdy Tink you o'l Raskel !
well at that joint ya sent me to I chose san fransisco as the test reciever...
I got 1346kbs Dwn load
and 66kbs up load...
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for some reason I have a constant 3~4kbs going all the time... havn't figured that one out yet <GRIN>
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 I connected through Wild blue Satilite internet and so far so good... we got the pro package but may well downgrade in the near future so its cheeper... right now its something like $79.00 a month... (OUCH!)  but it is very fast and I can play World of warcraft on it...and even with its 3000ms latency its far better than dial up was its silly !
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I down loaded a huge file in a matter of minutes that would have taken me all day to complete on dialup...
 it is expensive...no doubt about that...but its very fast and my Kid and I can be on line at the same time with no ill effects...which is a vast improvement !
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  Back to the subject.... I am wondering How you can possably hook up plates in a Hydroxy cell so they are in SERIES..... not in Parallel.... the more I think on it the more I am confuzed!
any way I try to wire it in my head it comes out in parallel... not series !
because you have to have  alternateing polarity on your plates to be effecient...at least I think so! ..... LOL
... can anyone shed some light on this for me Huh?
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Bob...

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« Reply #46 on: October 03, 2009, 09:26:50 am »

Bob,
I had Starband years ago and it was awfull. Everytime the wind would blow it got real flakey. I'm glad to see satallite internet has gotten much better. You may be able to do internet TV or Netflex realtime  with that speed.

Maby they are talking about two or more sets of parellel plates hooked up in series in the same bath.
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« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2009, 11:07:05 am »

That's the conclusion I came up with... 2 parallel cells in series, so they are technically lying to try and make it mysterious ! really hard to say... but their LPM readings are way off they admitted that much. but they insist that their output is higher than any cell on the market at the lowest amperage...
   I can't see where a 72 year old guy would lie about such results ...unless he is completely decieved!  hehehehehe
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 oh well... guess we'll never know !   "Fishman" did us a great favor by buying one and testing it himself... with results that are more in line with our understanding on how electrolysis works.
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 Thanks Fishman !

I guess he actually put the subject to rest <GRIN>  I'm just a bit slow ! HAHAHAH

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« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2009, 11:17:56 am »

Bob,

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...well at that joint ya sent me to I chose san fransisco as the test reciever...
I got 1346kbs Dwn load
and 66kbs up load...

Do you mean kb or KB ?

I just ran the program using San Fransisco as the target and got

Down load = 5849 Kb/s (731.1 KB/s)
Up Load    = 459   Kb/s (57.4 KB/s)

Remember I'm in the UK.

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« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2009, 11:35:52 am »

Bob,

...but that last one has me stumpped !  what the heck is he saying ?  mutable series cells that are all connected to one power source ?

Connecting plates in series ...  Does this lower the amperage they need to work ?
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all my cells have been parallel hookup not series !...

Could mean each pair of plates (= for Manta. 1 cell) separated from the next in it's own electrolyte and connected like a car battery.  Dropping aproxx 2 volt per cell.

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« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2009, 05:35:25 pm »

Just to clarify it a bit...
... the Make up of the Mighty Mite cell is 2 cells in a 2" PVC tube that is an inverted "T"
with the cells on the ends of the horizontal portion of the "T" so they share the same electrolyte... and have to be very small cells to fit inside the 2" O.D. Pipe....
.....(so in reality, its probably a Randy Cell Copy and they use a poor electrolyte!)
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I think its more like 2 "Randy cells" in series.... it just about has to be !

  Randy and I both tried that and the output is good... in fact I think Randy even tried a inverted "T" configuration like this other fella did... a few years back and used it with good results on his truck.
although he was using 20 amps feeding 2 "Randy Cells" in series I believe his output was right at 2LPM.... with hardly any heat generated at all. 
... because of this we realised that feeding 2 cells with the same amperage as you would one cell, your output is exactly the same... because it devides the amperage between the 2 cells and you wind up with 1/2 the output between both cells, combine the 2 and you get the same output
.... less heat generated is the only gain I can see.
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although technically, you could Argue the point that less heat is generated even at that !
20 amps being used to generate Hydroxy gas is going to generate 20 amps worth of heat.... its simply disipated faster with 2 cells rather than 1 cell
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 this Mighty Mite cell  for all its Foo-Fah-Rah is no better than the "Randy Cell" In my opinion....
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 the "Randy Cell" Pound for Pound, is a really good cell...and if built correctly puts out a tremendous amount of hydroxy gas !
  its safe to say, if you build one and don't get 2LPM at 20 amps " You SCREWED UP some where!"
LOL !   (the "Randy Cell" plans, are in the Plans section.)
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I do Know that Randy made many tests on his cells at lower amperage and they put out good Output at 10 amps.... (1LPM at 10amps)  and at 1/2 to 3/4LPM at 5 amps.... So I just don't think
you can get much better amp to output ratio than that ! ...
 there are REPORTS of such... but when push comes to shove it usually comes down to
the 1LPM @ 10AMP ratio.... no matter WHAT design you use !
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 Although Randy himself reports a bit better output than I've quoted here... it is quite evident that the "Randy cell" is a very good cell!
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.... Randy ...Maybe you should Patent your Cell before someone else does !  eh ?  just because its on the internet for free doesn't mean you couldn't pick up ROYALTIES for it ! HAHAHA
...its a thought!

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Bob....





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