New cell completed

[ROADKING]

I just finished up a 31/2" x31/2" dry cell with 6 neutral 4 negatives and 1 positive Equaling 11 total plates,  So my question is, do I multiply 3.5 x3.5 = 12025 (sq. inches) x11(plates)=134.75 (total inches) divided by 2 = 67.375 (amps) divided by 10 equals 6.74 lpm . I am only getting about 1 lpm on 15 volts and 17 amps if I am measuring it correctly, using a 1 litre bottle and an aquarium   I am looking for suggestions.  Thanks for every ones in put.

[Bob]

Hi RoadKing !
Somehow your plate hookup just sounds all wrong ! but I'ed have to see what ya did before I say its foobared ! HAHAHAHAHHAHA
what are you trying to figure there anyway ....the theretical LPM output  OR how many amps you can use ?
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Bob........

[Bob]

Ok RoadKing ... I guess I gott'a Pry it out'a ya ! heheheheheh
lets hear some more info on this cell of yours Please !
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I dunno why you would hook up 4 negitive plates and only one positive plate but there must be some reasoning behind it so please clue us in on your thoughts !
or maybe I didn't understand what ya did...I dunno !
but you sure got me wondering what kind of setup you have there !
are they flat plates stacked like so many slices of toast or what ? do you have then seperated in 4 places and need the negitive plate fed or just what all ?
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and How does it work ? have you tested it more sense the last post ?
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Bob....

[ROADKING]

Well I just tested the new cell on a 1965 Chevy pick up, the truck has a 292 in line 6, 4 speed granny with 410 posi track.  The base line for gas mileage is 12.0 mpg.  I told you I really cannot test the output for as lpm, but seem to be putting out quite a bit.  I have tried to test it with a litre bottle in an aquarium and the best I can see is a litre per minute but by the bubble it appears much more.  Any way I installed it, took it on a 1100 mile trip and it is the best I have come up with.  It got me 21.7 mpg.  It also used about 2 pints of distilled water that I have koh in.
Now for the cell it is a dry cell 6x6, 316l ss 11 plate 1/32 space with a 5 gal per minute pump on it.  I have a pwm set at 21 amps. hydro hose in top of carb.  So as of now I am flushing the cell and preparing to get a few more miles per gal out of it by leaning the carb jet 1size and see where to go from there.  I will keep you posted.

[Manta]

Roadking,

sounds good.  What is the driveability like ?

Manta

[Manta]

Roadking,

Are theses figures correct ?  An 81 % increase .

Your 1100 mile trip at the old 12 mpg would have used 1100/12 = 91.6 gallon.

Your 1100 mile trip at the new 21.7 mpg used 1100/21.7 = 50.7 gallon.

So you saved 40.9 gallon on that one trip.  How much did you save in $ ?

Manta

[Bob]

Now thats a success story if I ever hurd it !
a 9 MPG increase right off the bat !
FANTASTIC!
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be aware that you might change the ignition timeing about 2 degrees closer to TDC than normal if you experience any Pinging or pre-detination  (usually charaterized by a slow acceleration and a ratteling sound)...
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You sound to me to be doing everything right on the Truck ! I love those older trucks their made of Steel... 14 guage sheetmetal in the fenders ! takes a big hammer to do body work on them !HAHAHA!
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Leaning out the carb is your next step sounds like to me...as you have already started in that direction...on a old 6cyl chevy PU that I had I took the main jet out of the single bbl carb.
and put it on the anvil and used a small flat punch to flatten the metal all the way around the center hole in one whack.... sort'a mushroomed the metal inward to shrink the hole size. this leaned it out very nicely I used a accetiline torch tip cleaner to guage the hole size... and I just shrunk it one cleaner size..... doing this got my 11mpt to about 18mpg... ( and a complete tune-up)and was long before any thoughts of Hydroxy generators entered my mind...about 40 years ago ! HAHAHHA
( the accelerator pump was leaking badly also in that carberator... fixed that as well!)
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You should be able to PULL a house with that truck with the 410 rear end but doing 75 on the freeway will un screw the engine ! by turning it too fast ! HAHAHAHAHA... you need a brownie 3 speed in that thing and then you'll have more gears to play with than an 18 wheeler! HAHAHAHA
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I sure would like to see some pictures of your cell and instilation...
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Sounds like your use of the 5gmp pump is the secret to your success... very well thought out Roadking!
WELL DONE !...
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 Still dunno about the setup of the cell itself...but it obviously works great ! !!!!!
thank you for your contribution to the forum !
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and I love the tight spaceing....HEHEHHEHEHE
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keep up the good work !
Bob...

[ROADKING]

Bob,
As far as the set up it has 1 pos terminal 2 neg and 8 neutrals, with the pos in the center.
the drive ability of this truck is great for it has been completely restored, this truck I purchased from a cemetery and it has a dump bed on it and is a short step side.  As of now I am very happy with it.
I did miss quote the size of the cell, it is my 31/2 x31/2 inches, I have 3 different size of these cell to experiment with, and the next one is the61/2 in so see if there is any differences.  I will keep you posted of my projects.

[Bob]

OOOOH ok I get it now your pos is in the center and the neg plates on the end! AHHH ok that should work very well !
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Ummm let me show my stupidity and ask what the heck is 31/2 in inches ? is that a metric measurement
or what ? hehehehe you lost me there
I understand the 6.5" measurement on the one  but I'm wondering if thats your biggest cell er what.!
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I have been toying with the idea of a 12"x12" 7 plate cell with parallel hookup to the plates
I don't know if anyone has done that yet... and the plates are so big that I think I will attach to oppisit cornors of each plate... so 2 hookups per plate 90Deg appart ...
I would think that a cell that big should produce a BUNCH of hydroxy gas...if I can get enough amps to it ! HAHAHAHAHA
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Bob...

[ROADKING]

Sorry about that, this cell I am now using is 3.5in x 3.5in.

[Bob]

And it gives you that big of an increase in MPG ! MAN get the 6.5"x6.5" cell working and you'll get 40mpg ! HAHAHAHA WOW !
thats really neet !
I've alwayse thought that the computer controled BS in these cars is why the Hydroxy gas doesn't help that much and that is proving to be true !  I am seriously tempted to re fit my toyota R22 with a regular carb and get rid of that fuel injected garbage!  I KNOW i can do better than 40mpg with my truck
but I have to have more than 3LPM to do it ! HEHEHEHE
I bet if you got 8 to 10LPM you'ed be up in the 70mpg range !  and for that old truck that would be super sweet!...
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My 1968 Dodge fleetside is about the Ugliest truck I think I have ever owned, but the engine and rearend make it a keeper... it got 8mpg when I brought it home but I get almost 11mpg in it now
it has an automatic in it and that is a bummer... but the 411 rear end make it so it can pull just about anything ! it has a 318 V8 in it I think and a 2bbl carb and all it needs to be useable is good gas mileage ! and I do believe with a big hydroxy cell under the hood it will make that truck get 40 to 45mpg or better....
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I feel that we are REPLACEING the gasoline... not just inhanseing its burn but replaceing it ...to a certain extent... and the more you add in Hydroxy gas the less gasoline you will need to run it.
this idea has been proven to be so in a few cases, but admittidly not very many...
...  I won't stop till I have my Toyota running on 100% hydroxy !...but in all honnesty it might be easier to do with the O'l Dodge than that fuel injected nightmare ! HAHAHAHHA
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Bob.......

 

[ROADKING]

Bob,
I am now working with a Subaru Brat, to see what I can get,  But a man told me to put 1 lpm for every inch opening on the carb, and that is what I am trying for the time.  He said Too much hydrogen will hinder you, I don't know about that yet?  I will know for the brat I am going to see how far I can go, I bought a flow meter and a egt gauge so I could keep a close eye on everything to keep from melting pistons and valves.  I will keep you posted on this.

[Bob]

Well, Yes too much Hydroxy gas will start causing problems.... you'll get pinging and pre detonation
but that is easily cured by changing the timing a few degrees closer to TDC than stock timing.
and sense I really don't believe in the Hydrogen embrittlement Myth on a running engine there is really no other problems that you should incounter by adding lots of Hydroxy gas ... except the benifits <GRIN>
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its true that when adding Hydroxy gas as a "Suppliment" to regular gasoline that there is a point where your putting in more hydroxy gas than gasoline.... however this does not change the behaviour of the running of the engine at all, from what I've read,... as I havn't experienced this myself!
...what happens is this... when  you add Hydroxy gas to a gasoline engine... the Hydroxy gas burns first
and this HELPS the gasoline vapors to burn much better.....more completely...
when you begin adding more and more Hydroxy gas you begin to loose throttle control first....
because you are adding it stright into the engine without any control valves and the engine simply begins to idle high.... and that can be a problem no doubt...
when you get to that point you have to start throttleing the Hydroxy gas to control the engine
and decrease or eleminate the gasoline completely from the system.....
personally I plan on starting my truck on gasoline and then switching it OFF and run on pure Hydroxy gas alone....
but the timeing, and carberation will no doubt have to be changed to accomplish that !
I amagon about 2deg ATDC is what will be needed when I go that far on Hydroxy gas !
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FWIW
Bob......

[ROADKING]

Speaking of vapors, I am now adding another bubbler and filling it with gasoline, I have experimented with this using a torch and I was impressed with the out come so now i am going thru a water bubbler the gas bubbler the a c trap as a dryer then to the carb and see if there is any benefits.

[Bob]

heheh best of luck to ya... I tried that with exhost heat and couldn't keep the gasoline in vapor form... it wanted to condense and freeze the base of the carb !....
it takes 110 deg to vaporize gasoline...well...completely... you can draw air through it and get allot of vapor that way but that changes with the weather and barometric pressure and humidity and what not
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with all the vapor you are adding you won't need any gas in the caberator  ! HAHAHAHA
and there is nothing wrong with that at all !
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I am a fervent believer in gasoline vaporization ! you can get 600 times the volume from vaporized gasoline than with the liquid form... and it still is explosive...infact even more so than in liquid form.... the problem is keeping gasoline in its Vapor form...soon as it inters a vacume it will snap back to droplets and shrink in size.... but if you can win the battle you stand to achieve 600 times the gas milage your getting now, clear and simple....
unfortionately I have not been able to accomplish the task... though I admit I have never tried to draw all my air going through the intake through gasoline and just burn the Air/vapor that way.... that should work very well !
  give it a try and see what it does ! <GRIN>
...but Don't forget to lean out your carberator even more or you won't see any benifits as the gasoline is pumped through the carb weather you burn it or not !
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and DO NOT FORGET your Flash back Prevention Bubbler or bubblers !
better have one on that gasoline vaporizer too ! ...
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I did vaporize Diesel in my Pinto and ran it like that for about 3 years..the HP was improved a great deal and the running about 100% smother... the slight smoke never bothered me in those days
and it did increase my MPG by about 2 to 5 MPG...
I used 2 aquarium air stones off a "T" at the bottom of a 1 gal mason jar and ran the "T" line to the lid on the jar, and sealed the hose... the engine drew air from the center vacume port below the carb to the top of the lid...through a needle valve... thats all there was to it...the jar was under vacume when it was running and drawing in air through the line that was sealed to the lid...
the line going to the engine drew air from the jar which in turn sucked air from the air stones and "T" connector ... it worked very well but only gave me a few MPG's   I think most of the benifits was from the luburacation of the top end of the engine... as when I pulled the head everything was clean and shinnie like it was bran new...no carbon at all ! and the car had over 250k miles on it!
Diesel in an engine is a good thing it really cleans them up ...but don't do that to a fuelenjected monster as your catatlic converter will be ruened!... another of the benifits of having an older car !
HAHAHHAHAH
Bob......