There is a difference between the two !

[Bob]

So...is it Hydrogen generator or is it a Hydroxy generator or a Browns Gas generator ?
Technically the boosters we are running are Browns gas generators....
Browns gas is Not Hydrogen.... although it has Hydrogen in it,.... and Oxigen too !
this mix of Hydrogen gas and Oxigen gas is commonly refured to as Hydroxy gas
I guess because saying a Browns gas generator is harder than saying a Hydroxy generator!
but the 2 are the same....
but don't confuze a Hydrogen generator with a hydroxy generator they are diferent!
although the construction can be almost identical there is more to a Hydrogen generator
an extra step is taken with the Browns gas and the hydrogen and oxigen are seperated, venting the oxigen
to the atmosphere usually and keeping the pure hydrogen for use...
I believe this is usually done with large electromagnets sense the Hydrogen has a negative charge on the molecules from the extraction process and the oxygen a Positive charge the gas is further separated by these magnets and allowed to accumulate...
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the Oxygen content in the Browns gas/Hydroxy gas is a very helpful element to the hydrogen when it comes to using the gas... as it adds considerably to the explosion !
in fact Hydroxy gas is more energetic than gasoline air mix of the same volume.
not a great amount but some anyway.
.... That means that if You can get Enough Hydroxy gas VOLUME... your car will operate just as it has always done, but with a slight increase in power....
ofcorse this means that the controlling of the Hydroxy gas must be precise.
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that is why I named this Site Hydroxy Hut and not Hydrogen Hut.... because we are not useing hydrogen to power our cars we are useing Hydroxy gas... and there is a big diference.
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Bob......

[Manta]

Bob,

So,  is it fair to say that a hydroxy cell is the same as the fabled Joe cell that was causing a few knickers to get in a twist in Aus a few year ago ?

Manta

[Bob]

I believe they proved that the Joe cell was putting out "Browns GAS" which is Hydroxy gas ...Yes  but it was a very high quality Hydroxy gas
for All the fuss that was made over the "Joe Cell" I simply do not understand it at all...
its like a mear 3 or 4 LPM  nothing special by any means.... that WAS large in its day no doubt
...so we have Progressed in Output in the last few months!
2 tubes one inside the other is hardly a break through in technology their size is their only saving grace... their large enough to produce a fair amount of gas
as far as the clams go for the Joe Cell I myself am skeptical...
I'm not Positive Which design is a true Joe CELL to be honest , sometimes the Aussie forums are hard to follow <GRIN>... Can a single cell produce enough Hydroxy gas to power an auto at 100%...?
I think that is Obvious ! Yes it can but it takes a large amount of amperage to do that, even with the most efficient of cells....
and thats what we're talking here with the "Joe Cell" in order for his clams to be true he had to be running on 100% hydroxy gas  OR "something completely different"...
I don't know if he had the Amperage to accomplish 100% or the LPM needed out of the cell
the info given is just too sketchy ...
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to date, I think Our best options for 100% Hydroxy  is either a raft of "Randy Cells" Pulling Hellacious amps or a Large Tero-Cell type cell Pulling Hellacious amperage... either will take more amps than the normal vehicle can produce... at a Minimum it will take at least 180 amps by my calculations
even for a small engine... But.... for 180 amps ,a small engine and a large cell setup you should be able to go 100% hydroxy gas and use no gasoline at all !

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However it is possable that a diferent gas was produced theough the Joe Cell experiment that of Nitorgen Dioxide.... if that was the case ( although lab tests were not totally conclusive)
then  a change in directions would be needed to re produce the results..which no body seams to be able to do ... Strange that !.....
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I think the Nitrogen Dioxide idea has Some merritt but is very very unlikely, more likely that the thing ran on stright Hydroxy gas and thats all....
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my 2 coppers on the subject!
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Bob.......

[Manta]

Just had a look at nitrogen dioxide on wiki.  No mention of it being flammable.  Just toxic. Also it seems to be a bi-product of combustion.  So not a likely fuel source.

Manta

[numberonekiwi]

I believe the Joe Cell was only connected to the -ve terminal once charged so there is little or no current draw from the battery as some of the sites claimed but I dont know how this could work

[Bob]

Yah ... I hurd something like that as well , had to do with the "Misterious magnetic forces at work"
.... and what comes to mind is" If you can't Dazzel them with Brillance, then Baffel them with bullshit"
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hehehehehe
as I said the information is very skectchy and what info you do get doesn't make sense.
when I see a cell that has that kind of conterversity surrounding it, I go the other way.
its easy enough to design your own cell... you do not need someone elses design... its just more convienient is all.
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Bob.......

[randy]

I've had a problem of the same sort with my washer cells, they'll continue to make gas for quite a while with nothing to draw the charge from the cell, Hmmm might need to investigate this further.

[Bob]

Maybe if we made plates out of "Superconductive meterial" we'ed only have to charge it initially and then disconect it and let it run forever ?
hehehe
Bob........

[Manta]

Randy,
As I mentioned to LtCFisher (on the other site) if your using SS plates and KOH (or NaOH) then you have a (pretty inefficient) Nickel/Alkaline battery due to the Nickel in the stainless steel. So it makes it's own voltage for a short while.  It looks to me as if it is a problem that we are stuck with unless some other kind of metal is used for the plates.  Maybe some kind of small gas storage device to absorb the 'after-switchoff' gas will help.  Or simply vent it via a simple pressure switch and a tube that vents some out of the way.

Manta

[randy]

I use in cab switches with LED's built into them, when I shut down the LED"s stay lit pulling the charge from the cells, it stops the production in a few minutes, without them the thing is still making gas 30 minutes later.

[Bob]

Manta:
I don't have an LED on the cell, but I do on the switch just to indicate the switch is on...
what I do is turn on the cell after the engine is running ( almost imediately )
and then USUALLY turn off the cell about 1 to 2 minutes before I park...  so far I havn't had a bit of problem with the "Run-on-after-shutdown" problem... that may be because I usually remember to turn it off FIRST...but not alwayse... but even then there has been no problems, no back fires or anything.
so I seriously don't think its anything to worry about unless you realy start pumping out large volumes say 5LPM and above... then it might be a concern...
...I suspect I am getting about 2LPM on the avrage and I've not had any problems with the Run-on thing ....
Bob.........

[Cowboy]

I'm still not a believer in the fear of backfire.  I have never had a properly tuned engine backfire on me.  And the back fire I refer to is the one shooting flame out the carb.  I've only had it happen a couple of times, but that was when installing an engine and not taking the time to find TDC.  Throw a distributor on 180* out and flame will happen.  And back fires don't happen with FI.  Unless something is so far out of whack that the car doesn't even run...  Making explosions in the exhaust is easy enough to make happen on the old carbed engines though, but that won't affect the hydroxy gen.  It was actually a favorite pass time of mine when driving through the ghetto in CA and seeing a group of thugs walking down the street.  It was fun to watch them scatter.  Still not sure how I didn't end up getting shot. 

[randy]

when I first achieved a auto worthy hydroxy generator capable of delivering 2+ LPM and installed it in my truck I figured I'd just put a switch on the dash for it with an LED in it to discharge the cell and to help me not forget to turn it off when I park the truck, worked great for days UNTIL I went into a store for a few minutes, when I returned I noticed I'd forgot to turn it off, Oh well I figured I was only in there for a couple minutes so I hit the key, POOF not a boom fortunately, very large cloud of white smoke came from under the hood, I thought OH crap I'm on fire, but to my relief no fire when I opened the hood, but every vacuum hose PCV  EGR hose was blown off, also the half seal in the valve cover was blown out completely, the cap to the bubbler was on the ground under the truck, my truck is well maintained, but hydroxy burns 1000 times faster then gasoline, so I believe the thing tried to start up backwards, now I have every safety measure installed and have had very few problems since.

[hydrotinkerer]

I did the same thing. I hooked a "temporary" setup in my truck thinking I wouldn't forget. I didn't but my wife did. My gen. was left on for 12hrs. She calls me and ask what should she do. Luckily I let it sit for 2 more hrs. Then I just cranked it, When it started the biggest cloud of white smoke came out the exhaust. I think the only reason something like Randy's deal didn't happen is because the truck is a diesel.

[geezer]

just a thought. when you wire your relay NO term. to pos. NC term to ground when you turn key off it grounds gen + term.and stops it.