polarizing the water

[Cowboy]

So I was thinking, has anyone tried to polarize the water?  I was running through thoughts in my mind and I settled on the idea of wrapping a wire around a water inlet hose a few dozen times and hooking it up to the battery.  I would think this would help attract the molecules to the plates.  But, it might not too. 

[Bob]

Howdy Cowboy !
 I'm not sure but I think water or electrolite for that matter won't hold a charge
you can attract it with a charge but you can't make it HOLD a charge if you get my meaning...
that would mean as soon as it left the fields of that coil, the water would revert back to its normal state being neutral...
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Pure water has no continuity, and therefore there is nothing in it that will HOLD a charge
the addition of electrolyte to the water might help charge the Electrolyte... but won't change the water at all even if its mixed real good... as the field would just tend to seperate the electrolyte from the water.... I think...
thats my best guess !
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Bob.........

[Manta]

Cowboy,

I don't know what you guys drink down there on a night,  But it seems to odd effects on the brain.

Of, course,  if you can explain just how this will work in the context of a device that passes current between two charged plates,  Then I will withdraw the above observation.

Manta

[Cowboy]

If you wrap a wire around something in a nice tight coil, it creates a strong magnetic field.  A quick experiment for your enjoyment is to take a screw driver, wrap a wire around it and connect the ends of the wire to the car batt.  You now have a magnetic screw driver (very useful on a new car when you drop a bolt in the engine compartment).  If you have something heavier to pick up, you leave the wires connected and you have a nice electromagnet.  My thoughts of using this with water is to make a nice tight coil around an inlet hose, thereby polarizing the water prior to entering the chamber. 

[Manta]

so,following the same logic if you wrap a coil of wire around your neck (not too tightly) and pass a current through said wire then,  as blood probably has a higher ferrous content than water,  it will align the iron in you blood stream and you may be able to detect a change in your brain activity.

Manta 

[Bob]

sssssso  tha thats wha whats wro wrong  wid  me !! when I went in for an MRI they polizerized my blood and its flowing backards !  I'll Sew !... I'll sue, and I'll sue again !
...hehehehe
 ( anotherwords ya can't polorize water or blood cowboy... cuz it won't hold the change!)
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you are forgetting what happens when you make a coil of wire around that screwdriver and connect both ends to the car battery.... the coil of wire quickly gets red hot and melts... unless your battery is almost dead... then it just kills the battery! so in order to do what you propose and NOT melt the wires, you'ed have to run a current limiter in series with your coil,... say a small 12vdc light bulb....
am I right Manta ?
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Bob.......


 

[Manta]

Bob,

It depends upon the resistance of the coil you make.  If you check out the resistance on some old relays you will see what I mean.

The point I am trying to make with cowboys idea is that any effect would be far outweighed by the operating conditions between the plates.

I believe that polarised water is used in proton magnetometers,  or rather the water is polarised during the operation.

Maybe the way to find out would be to get a cell running steadily,  then switch on the current to the water supply polariserer and note any difference in current draw.  Best to use a seperate battery to run the polariser so as not to cause any effect on the supply to the cell.

I wouldn't expect to see any change,  but who knows in this game ? Apologies to cowboy if I seem a bit negative (also excuse the pun) on this. NO offense intended.

Manta

[Bob]

So are you saying that a coil of wire making a strong magnetic field Would "Polerize" the water ?
 I was under the impression that that was near impossable !
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Bob........

[Painless]

One point to bare in mind with water is that it is already naturally aligned with respect to its positive charge (hydrogen) and its negative charge (oxygen). The hydrogen always aligns to face its neighbours oxygen atom and vice versa. This is what gives water its high surface tension.

[Bob]

thats interesting... I never thought of the surface tension of water as being on the nucular scale ,but I guess it would have to be ! <GRIN>
which makes me wonder just how hard is it to rip the oxygen atoms off the Hydrogen atom and break apart a water molecule??  we do it fairly easily in a Hydroxy generator, but
that has to be an enormous amount of power on that scale eh ?
probably equivalent to a man pulling a 1 ton rock with a rope ! on rough ground!
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but sense water is one of the loosest and lightly bound elements we can separate it fairly easy
and reap the benefits and release the separate gasses and use them in different ways
I find it strangely compelling that water, a almost totally benine element becomes extreamily explosive when separated... makes me wonder what an explosive element would do if separated in the same way !...hehehehehehe
just thinkin' out loud , don't mind me!
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Bob.....

[Cowboy]

One point to bare in mind with water is that it is already naturally aligned with respect to its positive charge (hydrogen) and its negative charge (oxygen). The hydrogen always aligns to face its neighbours oxygen atom and vice versa. This is what gives water its high surface tension.

Water is naturally aligned at the molecular level, but what if you align all of the molecules prior to entering the cell?  You may have to swap polarity on your coil to reap the benefits, if any, but I think it's worth a try.  I can't try it right now, but I figured one of you folks with a working system could.  Even if you use a separate battery, it would be a worthy test in my mind.

[Painless]

which makes me wonder just how hard is it to rip the oxygen atoms off the Hydrogen atom and break apart a water molecule??  we do it fairly easily in a Hydroxy generator, but
that has to be an enormous amount of power on that scale eh ?
probably equivalent to a man pulling a 1 ton rock with a rope ! on rough ground!

The bond between hydrogen and oxygen within water molecules is known as a covalent bond, this is the strongest bond there is between two atoms.  Water has many properties that other liquids do not have, it's adhesion qualities (ability to adhere to itself and other substances) for example.  If you pour water on a table it will pool up away from the table surface where as alcohol, for instance, will just go flat.  This is also the reason why you get a convex shape at the top of water in a tube.

Probably useless facts, but interesting all the same.

Russ.

[Bob]

Cowboy:
 the water molicule is already polerized in a sense, as you mentioned... the Hydrogen atom is Positive in nature and the oxygen is negitive ( I beleve anyway)
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the problem is if you try and change that.... what do you change it to ? all negitive or all positive... (if it can be done and it still be water, which I doubt.) or are you just trying to sturr up the bucket so to speak ?
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if all the molicules are charged Positive when they inter the chamber all the water will be attracted by the negitive plates and no work will be done at all....because everything is positive thats in there... and No electrolisis will take place... the same would happen if you polerized them in the other direction... so you can't gain anything that way...even if it Could be done <GRIN>
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from what I understand a magnetic field has realy no effect on a liquid, (and sense we are 95% water thats a good thing...or MRI would realy mess a person up) about the only usefull thing a strong magnetic feild will do it pull the electrons off of a chain of atoms such as in a copper wire. this causes a reaction in the entire wire and makes a flow of voltage
when you expose running engines to strong magnet fields they do take on a polarity, or a small sympathetic magnetic effect in them selves. However this does nothing to improve the engines efficiency or its ability to generate power, Joe of the "Joe Cell" fame was way out in the OZONE about his theories on magnetic fields....in my view, but he may well have had something there that has been over looked by most people...
He wrapped his "Non magnetic Stainless steel cell" in a Heavy coil of wire to make a magnetic field around the cell.... and in so doing he reported that his truck ran something like 3,500 miles on 1 gallon of gasoline ( in other words he was Virtually not using gasoline.)
...the cell he constructed has been proven not to produce enough Hydroxy gas to accomplish 100% operation in itself... replicas have been made time and time again all with the same 4 to 5LPM output.... the only other thing that he did was the coil he added that other people disregard as a joke.... but a seriously strong magnetic field may indeed be all that is needed to produce all the Hydroxy gas you need for ANY application...
if your magnetic field is strong enough to rip apart ANY water that goes through it at any flow rate... you have a almost unlimited supply of hydroxy gas !
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the problem is that is one serious magnetic field !  and I don't know if a 12vdc battery can even produce that kind of a magnetic field even with super-conductive magnets!
... what I think happened in his case was somehow that strong magnetic field was focused to a point in his pictular application which made it work...  now understand that magnetic fields are notoriously hard to shape to your needs...but it can and has been done... its just not easy....
...other than that I see no way the Joe cell could have possibly worked, and I do believe it did... ( i am a very gull-able individual after all!<GRIN>)
... so reproducing his system has met with complete failure on all attempts...but that does not mean it didn't work for him.... perhaps its just a simple matter of believing it will work, that made it work for him and nothing else , who knows !
 (faith does indeed work!, doubting does not work.)
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between the plates of a Hydroxy cell the magnetic field is very strong indeed, or it wouldn't work at all... and I have been trying to come up with an idea to utilize a magnetic field better than mear plates... but as of yet I havn't came up with a suitable theory  to try!
<GRIN>
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Bob.......

[Manta]

...perhaps its just a simple matter of believing it will work, that made it work for him and nothing else , who knows ...

er.... yes.  What night did you say you watched The X files ? 

Manta

[Bob]

UMMMmmm  would you believe the "Twilight-Zone" ?
Doo deee dooo doo,  Dee deee dooo doo !
<GRIN>
Bob....

[Cowboy]

It hasn't worked for me.  I haven't tried it yet.  I have no tools, no vehicle, and no generator right now.