New hydrogen generator

[b1jetmech]

I'm Back! Had a computer hard drive go bad and just got over the Flu and here I am! I decided to build a small generator and operate it by vacuum. There is no bubbler just a reservoir. The water is regulated going into the generator and trickles out into the intake manifold. This little generator has 6 plates, +nnnn- orientation. The plates are .025 in thick. The gasket was .045 in then changed to.012 in. It just got installed today and don't have mileage figures yet but the baseline is 13.2 mpg. I do notice a little more power but got some bugs to work out.



To give you an ideal the size compare the generator next to the ruler.




Compare this little generator to the other one I built.


Here is the "injector". There will be a quarter inch hole drilled into the intake for lack of vacuum port.


Here is the injector located and installed.




Here a consolidated bracket which mounts the generator, a valve to regulate air going in, the "water in" port and "hydro out" port.




Here is the complete install.

[Bob]

Hay B1 !
sorry to hear about the sickness , both to you and the computer !
Thanks for posting the pics OFF site as they are HUDGE ! HAHAHAHAHHA
but essential to understanding what you've done! well done !
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the thing that is worrying me is you said you are allowing water to trickel into the intake manifold.... Don't get me wrong, thats fine as long as it doesn't contain any electrolyte!
if you have KOH in that water STOP THAT !!!!!!
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the way I understand what you've done is make a small Hydroxy generator that you keep a small constant flow of water going through the cell, this goes Out of the cell with the gas it generates and acts as a water injector as well as a hydroxy generator at the same time.
BRILLIANT ! ... but the hydroxy generator is too small !  you'ed be very lucky to get 1.5 LPM from that tiny thing.... but never the less, it SHOULD help gas milage some !
 can you tell us how much that cell draws on stright water ?  with 0.015 gaskets it should draw close to 18 to 20 amps, am I right ? thats with tap water... and tap water will form Green GOO so watch for it ! if you start noticing "green snot" in the clear hose, time to flush the system !

as long as your cell doesn't run completely dry you should be in great shape !
but even if it does, it should drop in amps and allert you to the problem.... and just be Dry and no harm should be come of it !... but with a constant supply being fed into the cell
it should stay wet and produce gas all the time...


with that system I suggest you fire up the engine and wait for the engine to reach operating temp before you turn the Hydroxy/water injector on, so the water will be atomized before it reaches the cylinders due to the heat.... other wise, its like throwing a handful of sand into the cylinders letting water get into a cold engine !
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well done and clever thinking on your part ! killing 2 birds with one stone is a good trick !
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please keep us informed!
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Bob........




 

[Painless]

In addition to bob's observations, it concerns me that the positioning of the 'injector' in your intake manifold would result in the majority (if not all) of it's output being sucked into the front two cylinders nearest to the injector?  This wouldn't be a good situation.

[Bob]

indeed, that could and most probly WOULD be the case.... to remidy that

you might remove the injection point and put it ABOVE the throttle body on the ducting that clamps down on the throttle body... that is probably your best bet.... plug the hole in the intake manifold with a 1/2" pipe plug!...with teflon taped threds.
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...for the amount of Hydroxy gas that that thing will deliver its probly not worth the hassel...
...I don't think it will hurt the engine that much but it is better to be safe than sorry...
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Bob....

[b1jetmech]

Currently, I'm adding two more cells making it 3 cells (17 plates)

More to come!

[Bob]

Glad to hear your going to up the output by adding 2 more cells!
here is a pic showing where I'ed inject the Hydroxy gas and water mix....
I think it might be a better location for ya ! should Mix better for ALL cylinders there!
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Bob...

[b1jetmech]

BOB!

How dare you violate my copyright!!!

HA HA HA HA!

You know I'm thinking of doing that next. I'm going to get another intake plenum from Ebay to modify.

Looks like were on the same page 

Chase

[Bob]

HAHHA You posted it FIRST ! HEHEHEH
yah the center of the throttle body is the best location for good distribution to all cylinders
and above it is the bend in plastic of the ducting... so take a pocket knife , poke a hole in it ( after removeing so you don't drop shaveings in the engine) and then sylicone the fitting right on the top.... a 90Deg fitting would probly make a low profile instilition so it won't hit the hood ! (use red RTV silicone, its formulated for high heat applications)
just plug the old hole you already made in the intake ...its no biggy and it will save you the removal work.
I have holes all over the plastic on my truck... that are sealed and covered with tape and silicone... they work fine , so its not a worry !
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 Now, you need to realise that you are injecting the Hydroxy gas just before the throttle butterflys , and that will restrict the flow of hydroxy gas into the engine at idle...
if at some time you get up to 5 or 8 LPM input of hydroxy gas you will run into an OVERFLOW problem at idle... that could cause you problems... as at idle it might not suck enough Hydroxy gas out of the upper portion of the plentum and over flow and flow back into the air cleaner and in advertantly fill the air box with hydroxy gas and be a potential BOMB should a flash back occure....
but on anything less that 5LPM  I seriously doubt that could be a problem...
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your unit has no "Flash back prevention" system on it...if a flash back or back fire occurs it will more than likely blow the lines off the unit and dribble water on the engine!
you could "T" into the line going into the ducting and install a pressure relief valve into the atmosphier ...a check valve sort'a thing with a spring holding a ball berring in the closed position... that would push past the ball berring if high pressure occured.
but chances are it wouldn't be enough anyway... and blow the lines off anyway....but its a thought.....
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Good luck  and be carefull that Hydroxy gas is mean stuff !
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I woke up to an additional 18" of snow on the ground...DARN IT !
there's 2ft of snow out there again .... BAH ! Humbug!
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hehehehe
Bob.......

[Manta]

Bob,

re,...the thing that is worrying me is you said you are allowing water to trickel into the intake manifold.... Don't get me wrong, thats fine as long as it doesn't contain any electrolyte!...

Whoa there boy !!..   You never heard of hydraulic locking ?? 

If any water is allowed to get in via any route when the engine is off (say after a run when there may still be pressure in the cell) then there is a very real risk of bending rod the moment you start up again.

Very expensive.

Manta

[Bob]

Good point there Manta... I was Asumeing that water could not flow past the cell into the intake when the thing was shut off, but I don't know that for sure...good catch!
a large volume of water will definately KILL an engine... not just wet the plug so it won't fire up but as Manta said "Hydrolic locking" can and will siverly dammage an engine
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for instance if you forget to turn off the unit and it runs while you go shopping...
come back and hit the starter with a cylinder full of water the other pistons that fire can bend the rod of the cylinder thats full of water... the only thing you can do is pull the plugs and spin the engine over a few dozen times to dry it out... and then try...
... so in that siduation you have an accident waiting to happen,...
 make darn sure that thing is turned off before you kill the engine to relieve the internal pressure ...AND have it connected to the ignition switch as well , just in case !
... As Manta Said the running of the cell will create heat and build up pressure and force water out into the intake "EVEN after" its turned off...so be aware of that and stop it from happening! or damage will result in a big way !
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thanks Manta !
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Bob.......

[b1jetmech]

Guess what now, the tranny just went out.

I'm going to rebuild it tomorrow or that is when I start so when I get it running again I can finally try out the litle H2 generator.

Chase

[Bob]

Geez Chase! :
sounds like you've taken my string of bad luck ( I hope ,I hope!cuz I don't want it any more!)
mighty nice of ya though ! <GRIN>
Just remember...when things get bad.... they can ALWAYSE get worse! so it ain't as bad as it could be !!!!!
 but thats how it goes...first ur money then ur clothes!
heheheh
 hang in there... I don't invy you the tranny work, as their a pain to get to...especially now days !
.... I remember pulling a tranny on a 1953 ford f-100 pickup and I could fit the ratchet and socket on each bolt with only a bit of streching.... but those days are LONG GONE! you'll be lucky if you can get the tranny out without removeing the engine and trans as a unit !
... No..... seriously !
good luck !
Bob........