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Author Topic: Methods for Running 100% Hydroxy gas  (Read 2654 times)
Bob
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« on: February 02, 2009, 09:41:50 am »

As of this date I know of only 3 possable ways to control the output of a Hydroxy generator system...enough to make it useable for driveing a 100% hydroxy powered car.

1. the "Pressure tank method"
this idea is to have a smallish container that holds the hydroxy gas for a short period of time at a regulated pressure... much like a air compressor, pressure drops throws the relay turns on the Hydroxy cell and pressure builds up again till the relay turns off once again...
this allows a constant pressure of Hydroxy gas to be piped to the Propane carberator or ball valve on the intake to the engine... giving you throttling ability.

2.the "PWM Method"... this is much like the usual setup of controling the output of the Hydroxy generator except that the Pot for the Pulse speed is attached to the throttle linkage and turns as you push the throttle down, makeing the output increase, this method was used by Mayer in his dune buggy with great success. so far this has been the most widely used method of all.

3. the "Switch Method" this Non electronic hard wired method has its charm, although its unknown if it will actually work or not, Randy did come up with the idea and use it with a little success for a short time before parts failed... but the idea is to use a rotory switch that attaches to the throttle mechnisum, and turns on a bank of relays, the more the switch rotates, the more relays are turned on and more cells are activated, this method would be great for a bunch of "Individual cells" used to seperately add up to a large LPM amount to run the engine

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 Actually RUNNING the Hydroxy gas... may not be as easy as it sounds !  from all that I have read and whitnessed myself it seams that Hydroxy gas doesn't like to be deluted very much at all and still run an engine... wich means very little intake air, or almost no intake air at all going into the engine
...this throws a big Monkey wrench into any carberation method so far used except a "ball valve!"
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Timing needs to be changed to TDC or possably ATDC other wize the speed at which Hydroxy gas explodes will give you backfires and pinging all the time....
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Running enough AMPS to get enough Hydroxy gas Produced to Run a big engine on 100% hydroxy gas is no small accomplishment, and will undoubtedly demand some sort of cooling system for the hydroxy cells themselves and perhaps the Alternator used to keep it from burning up.
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Can you guys think of any more possibilities that might be used to run a car or truck on 100% hydroxy gas ?
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Bob........


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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2011, 05:01:53 am »

My Views have changed on this idea over the 2 years sense I posted it...  I'll
try to describe how I plan to achieve 100% hho in my truck now... in the following.
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 Getting Enough HHO to run the truck is a major problem and in my mind cannot be achieved RELIABLY by a single cell, so Mutable smaller cells will be used.
 I believe (and this is just an educated GUESS!) that I can Run my truck in just about any condition except FULL OUT with 20LPM of hydroxy gas...
getting that gas will most likely consist of 8~10 "Randy type cells" in which I can get 2LPM out of each cell at 20amps.
 that is the only way I can achieve 200amp draw to get the LPM needed... because a single cell would run into "electrolyte Saturation point"and top out at 40~60 amps ...even using KOH!
so running 8~10 single individual cells each working at 20 amps cures that problem.
...I may have some of the cells on a seperate Relay and not run them constantly and only use them when the demand is High for HHO.
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 Ok that takes care of the cells in a most general way, current limiters and kick in and kick out of individual cells for better efficiency  and all the other goodies like a Recurculating system for the electrolyte to keep them running cool...  goes without saying.
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I will need a 300amp altenator at the very least and that is going to be a costly item!
I may also add another battery to the current system.
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 As far as feeding the engine I believe it is best to keep the engine as STOCK as POSSABLE !
for Smog and Liscnsesing purposes.... it doesn't matter one bit to the state of Calif. if your car produces Zero emmissions you still need to pass their smog test every other year!....although you can get an exemption the hassel of doing so may well cause you to pay additional over the road tax fees and other taxes ... so its just not worth the hassel.
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I plan to add a electric ON-OFF fuel line switch on the enjector supply line to turn off the fuel(gasoline) completely although I will start the truck on gasoline and then turn off the gasoline once the Generators take over the job of supplying the needed gas to run.
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 I am Hoping that I can simply pipe the HHO to the snorkel (air intake pipe) just infront of the butterfly on the intake manifold and use it to throttle the engine...this may take re adjustment for idle and such but in theory it should do the trick.
 the worry here is back flow of too much HHO filling up the intake pipe and air cleaner and spilling out under the hood....  if so I'll more than likely turn off a few cells on the fly when cruising down the road....to prevent that....I haven't thought of a way to do that automatically without adding allot more complicated stuff ! ... so my "FLOW control may well be 6 switches on the dash 1 for the first 5 cells and one for each of the other cells
that way I could turn off cells till the performance drops and know I am not wasting HHO and running the risk of blowing the hood off my truck ! LOL
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I can do that automatically by running each cell on a pressure switch and run a small 1 gal pressure tank (with a Safty cap!) I could have switches on the accelerator linkage sensing the position of the throttle... all the way down all the cells are on 1/4 down and only the first 5 cells are on .... something like that...
 I think it will take 5 cells to idle the truck and get it to about 1500RPM
however 5 cells may be too much for just idling too so I'll have to figure that out when the time comes!
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 All in all I am more convinced than ever that I can generate enough HHO to power the engine while driving down the road than I ever was.... its not breaking any laws of Physics that I know of and the engine is strong enough to turn the 300amp alternator with ease and still drive fine...
  I think it will work and I hope to have it running on 100% HHO by this time next year !
...its a big project and will cost me a few bucks in the process but if I can pull it off I can drive by those gas-stations instead of into them !  LOL
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Bob.......
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