Check out this hydrogen generator

[b1jetmech]

http://www.aquatune.com/index.asp

Very compact, simple but different.

Chase

[Bob]

Chase:
 thats a water injection system not a Hydroxy gas system...
their claim of 30% more HP to me is way too generious to expect for any engine at sea level.
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although I do believe water injection systems work, I have never seen one work THAT GOOD! <GRIN>
...anything is possable however! hehehehehe
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Bob...

[Jake]

I've been wondering how a water injection system and a hho booster would work on the same car. I think the water injection principle is that the heat from the gas makes the water expand better than air giving better performance. Since hho burns so much hotter than gas will the water vapor work even better with a booster installed?

[Bob]

Your logic is good Jake and indeed it should work in tandom with a Hydroxy cell real well
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OR you can use the container as your bubbler and bubble through the electrolyte to get your moisture, although I don't recomend this method with KOH but with Koolaid it shouldn't hurt
.... just have a Aquarium air stone and a line to it to a valve on the top of your cell container...and adjust the valve to suck in the hydroxy gas AND moist air....
kill 2 birds with 1 stone... it has been tried before with vering results.
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Bob.......

[Jake]

so its not an original idea? there goes my patent, royalties, wealth, celebrity lifestyle. . . .
     oh well       

[Tink]

Jake,
I was running a water injection system on my '67 el Comino back in the early '70's. When I built the engine I wound up with 10:1 compression ratio and it was either that or use race fuel at 104 octane. Or dump 'octane boost' into the tank every fillup. I never really got the water injection stuff to work reliabily. Today it is probably a snap.
Tink

[bizybily]

Although I did hear the words "water injector" mentioned it had to be in err. I watched this video several times and there's no way that this is a water injector. There is clearly an explosion in the demo bubbler and it is stated more than once that they are burning hydrogen.

[Bob]

Oh realy ?
 I can't watch the video because I'm on dial-up and it takes hours to DL those things.
...but if there is an explosion from the output of that little gizmo then it has to be Hydroxy gas !  that sounds very interesting !  did you get any more info that that on it?
if its not a Water injector as I first thought then it is a very small compact package doing the work of a big unit ! ... and we need to know how thats done !!!!!!
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thanks for the Help Bizybily !
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Bob......

[Tink]

Bob,
Have you looked into the Verison thing that you stick in the USB port of your computer and get the internet? If you get a good signal where you are it might be the ticket for faster DL's
just a thought,
Tink

[hg2]

Bob,
Have you looked into the Verison thing that you stick in the USB port of your computer and get the internet? If you get a good signal where you are it might be the ticket for faster DL's
just a thought,
Tink

  It's called an air card and since I got one it solved all my internet problems.I live out in the sticks and there's no fiber optics run out here yet and the catv company said I was too far off the road.After I had the extra phone line disconnected and canceled the dial-up it was only another $20 a month and well worth it.

[hydrotinkerer]

That is what I use all the time as long as you can get a cell signal it works great. I have the one that is unlimited and cost about $58 a month. I use it going down the road and in the house and shop.

[Painless]

I use the same thing at home, through Verizon.  Much better than settling for dial-up because you live out with the carrot crunchers.

[hg2]

  I guess I'm not the only one that lives in the sticks that needs an air card for good service.I gotta ask, what the heck are carrot crunchers Russ?

[Painless]

LoL!

Term we use back in England for country folk.

[b1jetmech]

it does generate hydrogen, the black round end is what makes the hydrogen. Notice they emphasize getting the Hydrogen into the engine ASAP. Making point A to point B as close as possible. I think that is one of the reasons this little "thing" delivers a large amount of hydrogen.

[Bob]

Tink: No I havn't but next time I'm in "Best buy" I'll check into it it sounds promiceing
I have been thinking of breaking down and getting a cell phone as it would be handy for the wife to have in the car if the car breaks down on her 50 mile journey back and forth to work each night! ehhehehe although I keep the car in very good working order for that very reason... they do break down un expectedly some times.
... and if I have a cell phone and the card for the computer too... with a Yaggi antanna
on the roof I think it would work just fine...
the one realestate crook that was out here last summer talked on his cell phone in the front yard and he had verizon.
...but another $50.00 bill a month I don't need !<GRIN>
...thats why I don't have a cell phone yet!
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anyway if that little black box makes 2LPM that is doing darn good ! I'ed be interested in seeing how that thing works!
I didn't see a water canaster in any of their photos... which makes me wonder.
...is there a schmatic on that doo-hicky ?
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Bob......

 

[hg2]

  I didn't see a price listed on the site.It says to contact a distributor,has anyone called to get a price for this unit?The only price I saw was for an accessory package.

[b1jetmech]

They are $700 dollars! Hmmmm. But I don't know what's in the manufacturing process. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Tink]

Painless,
I think carrot crunchers are what we called stumpjumpers in Pennsylvania or was it the ridgerunners?

Bob,
I droped my land line years ago when I figured the cell phone was the same price and more convienent.
That Wilson Yagi works great just be sure you seal the connection at the antenna with that waterproff tape. Mine corroded after 3 years of use and I can't find a connector anywhere for it to repair the darn thing. Wilson uses a propritary connector at the antenna. Finally Verison placed a tower close enough that I don't need the Yagi anymore.
Tink

[hg2]

  Ok I called the aquatune company to get some questions answered.

  First I asked how many amps the unit draws which is 6 amps.
  Secondly I asked what the output was(here's the disappointing part) the guy said 7 LPH that's 0.116 LPM (flea fart).
  Then I asked about gains I'd get with my pickup and that's when it got ridiculous,he said I could take off my existing HHO system (which has increased my mpg from 13 to 17)and install his and my mpg would go up to as much as 22 mpg(can you say snake oil salesman hahhahahha).

  I don't know about the rest of you but my $700.00 is staying in my pocket and my HHO system is there to stay.

[damon]

wow a whole seven liters of hydroxy in only an hour! using six amps. wow sign me up. i would also like some beach front property in arizona. what a bargain.

[Painless]

  Ok I called the aquatune company to get some questions answered.

  First I asked how many amps the unit draws which is 6 amps.
  Secondly I asked what the output was(here's the disappointing part) the guy said 7 LPH that's 0.116 LPM (flea fart).
  Then I asked about gains I'd get with my pickup and that's when it got ridiculous,he said I could take off my existing HHO system (which has increased my mpg from 13 to 17)and install his and my mpg would go up to as much as 22 mpg(can you say snake oil salesman hahhahahha).

  I don't know about the rest of you but my $700.00 is staying in my pocket and my HHO system is there to stay.

I did some reading up on this aquatune thing last night, from what I can see the majority of it's gains are coming from water injection.  I don't like the idea of drilling and tapping a throttle body either.

[hg2]

  When I talked to the tech support guy about where to inject on my Dodge Ram he said it could go on the vacume line that's just below the power booster hose and forward a little and just tee into that.He didn't say anything about drilling and tapping into the throttle body.He did say the unit had to be no more than 7" from the injection point and 3" was best.

  If the gains are in fact mostly from water injection,you can build one yourself for a lot less than $700.

[Painless]

A water injection system is something I want to build after I finally get some HHO results, vacuum seems to be one idea, some kind of misted spray in front of the throttle body is another.  I like the idea of the throttle body best as it's more load related than vacuum, if you get my meaning.

[hg2]

  I know exactly what you mean there's a lot of turbulence at the front of the throttle body that would aid in additional atomization of the spray.

[b1jetmech]

From what I understand thus far is because it's located as close to the point of entry as possible it allows for mileage and performance gains because the hydrogen is at it's purist form. If the generator was parked farther away like a few feet then then hydrogen becomes diluted. That is why when you see the installation pictures they stress "Point A to Point B" as close as possible. That is why it is small and doesn't produce much however it is driven from vacuum of the engine. That might be something we should experiment with is locating the hydrogen generator as close as possible to the point of entry.

I talked to one of the distributors located in Elkhart, Indiana. Seems like a nice person who tells you like it is. He has one installed on his 1985 Chevy crew cab dually with a small block 400. The truck is "double overdrive" it's got a 4L80e tranny with a Doug Nash overdrive behind it. Without the hydrogen gets 14 MPG highway with it it jumps up ti 20-21 MPG. Pretty good I though coming from a small device. I had a truck like that , it got 8 mpg! LOL!

I'm building a little generator to mount close so I will see if I can get it to work.

Chase

[hg2]

  Chase the way the distributor in Orl.Fl. explained why it had to be close as possible is that any further away than 3"-7" the velocity of the gas or water vapor(or what ever it is) would drop below 1200 ft per sec.Seems we got a different storys for the same question.I know the guy you spoke to may have seemed very helpful,but remember these are salesman and even if you buy directly from Aquatune they still get their commission if you're in their distributor area.I inquired to the guy I spoke to in regards to getting a distributorship with them and he told me this is how it works.

[Painless]

From the research I've done, it seems that a 5% water to 100% fuel by volume mix is the ideal. I was thinking about using a fuel injector from a pressurised water feed and firing it off of each cylinders injector. Adjusting the jet size or water pressure should provide some control.

[Bob]

Maybe I am slow on the uptake here , or just plane stupid... but I see no advantages at all to having a hydroxy generator close to the engine other than adsorbing a great deal of heat from it..... and the way I understand it ,that is the last thing you would want...
if that unit is indeed a Hydroxy gas(browns gas) generator  that puts out a super tiny amount
of hydroxy gas and does it through the vacuum if the engine, then I would have to conclude that it is a farce, because it is too little of Hydroxy gas to do any good !
 HOWEVER... if it is drawing air through the device it is more than likely getting the increase in gas millage because of a "Vacuum leak" more than anything else...and Yes a vacuum leak can give you a large increase in MPG some times , depending on where the vacuum leak is!
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but without knowing what it is, its really imposable to say and you then have to take them at their word..... isn't that the whole theory behind "Snake oil salesman" tactics ?
give them an IDEA tell them its possible only with your product because no one else can do it
and sell them for a bunch of money and quickly move to the next town !
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so the question then remains is it possible to get better Gas millage on Hydroxy gas just by having the cell itself closer to the delivery point....for some weird reason ?
... I not only think the claim is absurd, but plane silly... but the Tiny Randy cell or a small Dry cell is a heck of allot better Hydroxy generator, than what their claiming to put out.... so if some one fills up to it, put a Small dry cell within 6" of the intake and tell us if you get a 30% increase ! or a Randy cell in a short pipe next to the delivery point
and try it ....
to expect improvements from such a small amount of Hydroxy gas is silly  ...and just putting it close to the delivery point isn't going to change the VOLUME of the gas or its Quality.
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its the same gas in one end of the hose as it is at the other even if its 30ft long !
only possible thing would be cooling it down... and re condensing any moisture, shrinking its volume.....
 so using that Logic I could put my 2LPM Randy cell mount it 2" from the intake and get the equivalent of 8LPM....... UH ? whats wrong with this picture!!!!!???
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Sorry guys but the more I see of that little thing the more it sends up red flags
... fer---get---it !
its not worth the brain-power ...HAHAHAHHAHA
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Bob......