Plate Spaceing

[Bob]

WHOLEY MOLEY Rodman !
thats incredible !  KEEP AFTER THAT ONE ! WOW!
thats is a Super produceing cell ! Please post the details !
plate size, and configuration and everything PLEASE !
I am sure there's guys here that will try to replicate it !
I think YOU have a Winner there !
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Bob...........

[Rodman]

Finished for the night (have to go back to work in the morning).
Been running the cell for close to 10 hours. Got the current a little higher, 13.5 amps. It was pushing the power supply and the voltage dropped to 12.9 volts. (Maxed out). That put the production rate to 2.733 lpm. I took some pictures but can`t figure out how to post em yet. I`ll try again when I get more time.

[numberonekiwi]

Nice going Rodman but it seems that your last test has slightly dropped of on MMW not sure if you have used the calculator but here it is

http://www.watervan.co.uk/tools.php

You did peek at 18 in your previous test so maybe 13.5 amps is just a little to much

[Rodman]

I ran a bunch more test numbers thru the MMW calculator. Different results every time. Don`t know what the calculator is telling me.  Can you explain it to me?

[Rodman]

No need to explain now. Got the final parts in the mail yesterday and everything is installed plus a full tank of gas. Running about 4.2LPM. I'll know in a few days if I get any gain.

[Bob]

Remember Rodman... not every vehicle will show gains right off the bat ! especially if its fuel injected ! you may need to do something with the O2 sensor and or the MAF sensor...
getting it hooked up is the starting point...not the end point! from there you can tell what you need to do next ...usually...
Almost alwayse it takes a combonation of O2 sensor mods and MAF sensor mods...
the O2 sensor mods trick the cars computer from thinking the engine is running too lean and dumping in MORE gasoline to not dumping in any extra gasoline at all....
and the MAF sensor is to lean out the already exhisting fuel supply to a more reasonable level
so your addition of Hydroxy gas will actually show you some gains in MPG...
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the O2 sensor ( Oxygen sensor on the exhost system)
and the MAF (Mass Air Flow Sensor, on the throttle body usually) both make or brake the workings of the Hydroxy generator.
the larger your engine is to begin with the more Hydroxy gas it will take to make a big diference... such as doubleing your MPG....
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I put my 2LPM cell on my 2.5liter toyota truck and did not notice any changes at all if anything my MPG went down a little.... I covered the O2 sensor with a steel tube and put it back in and tested it and got 38mpg the very next fill up...
I then modified the MAF sensor by adjusting it a small amount and got 40MPG...
then I added a "Matt Valve" and got close to 45mpg I think ... but about then my cell started messing up and LPM went way down!
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so  don't be discurraged if your MPG isn't way up there on the first try !
my MPG used to be a consistant 22 to 24MPG...depending on the load in the pickup...
with the cell and mods I was getting a consistant 38 to 40 mpg depending on the load...
so it is well worth the effort...
this summer I hope to make 80mpg or 100% hydroxy powered...but we shall see what happens!
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hang in there !
Bob.......

[Rodman]

Good advice. Thanks. I did run a little less than a tank full last week with Hydroxy and the mileage went down by almost three MPG. (That hurt.) Thats when I ordered the dual O2 enhancer. Trying to get that figured out is a bit of a challenge. But I'll keep plugging along. Hopefully I'll start showing some improvement now.
I found a problem with the initial test results. The 35 amp power supply I used for the tests has sockets for plugging in two VOM's. One for voltage and one for current. The one for current apparently needs calibrated. That's why I had such impressive test results. It's way off. When I ran the new numbers thru the calculator I got about average results. Sorry about the misinformation. 

[Bob]

No problem Rodman !
glad you found that it was off...saves others fromthinking you came up with something super special, building one and getting nothing but avrage results ! that is what hurts ! <GRIN>
thanks for being Honnest and telling us !
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I have not  to-date tried one of the "O2 enhansers".... in all Honnesty I don't trust the things
I seriously doubt that they have enough adjustment in them, although they may well have... I simply don't know ! but it seams to me that everyone that tries them only gets a small increase in MPG over their normal mpg before they started... Now I don't know if thats because they are hooking their Hydroxy unit to a Huge engine, and their lucky to get that much improvement ...or if the O2 Enhansors just arn't doing all they could....
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As I've said many times before I put a steel "Condom" over the single O2 sensor on my truck...and I know very well that it fits tight enough to stop the sensor from sampleing ANYTHING from the exhost
but sense its still heated by the exhost it doesn't give me an error... I doubt this method would work on all units, and probly only work on a few years of toyota trucks... because they change the electrics in the models so often....
but.....
 it is possable that you have more than one O2 sensor and that you could use the Steel "Condom" on both of them and you might get better results than with the O2 Enhansor... then again you may not get as good of results.... I just don't know at this time.
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the thing that realy seamed to make a very big diference on my truck was the "Matt Valve"
 Randy's Cuzin' or relitive of some sort I think, was who came up with the idea (more than likely Randy figured it out and they desided to try it on his truck <GRIN>) but in the picture section I believe I drew in the "matt valve" on a photo of my pickup... and its so simple anyone can make one with only a few parts and some RTV Silicone to make it air tight.
...this IDEA can be adapted to almost ANY fuel injected engine because it is just a BY-Pass around the Mass Air Flow sensor... alowing some air by the sensor... this in THEORY should lean out what the computer squirts into the engine in gasoline...in ALL throttle positions... not just idle
this is what we need to attain better gas milage, but care must be used with such a valve as you can lean it out too much and cause the engine to missfire and over heat... and can do serious dammage to the engine.
... So far I havn't had the slightest problem with my "Matt Valve" except that the adjustment is very touchy.... a smaller valve and hose might actually help that and make it easier to adjust.
(say a 1/2" i.d. hose instead of a 3/4" hose)
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Keep after it you WILL get better results !.... I did !
...
Bob......

[Rodman]

That'll be the next thing I'll try then. I'm gonna fill up tonight & see if I have any improvement. I need to get on line when I get home and see if I can find some pictures of the Matt Valve and get some more details on my truck.
Do you know if anyone has had any luck with an enhancer from the MAP sensor?

[Bob]

Not sure but I think Hg2 has one on his truck, and I'm fairly certain Scratch does...
but Not sure how good they work !
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Bob.......

[hg2]

  The map enhancer I have doesn't help very much regarding mileage gains,what it does help with is keeping the peace between my pre and post cat efie's and the ecm.What I found is that keeping the map enhancer turned down low(in saying low I mean if the map en. had numbers on it for settings it would be set on 1to 1 1/2) prevents the ecm from setting codes using the efie's.I think that sometimes the ecm looks at the map before making a final decision for computing afr's and may refer back to the map data after the O2s data to check parameters.I'm just guessing this but what I do know is that the map en. helps when using an efie on my vehicle.

[Bob]

Hg2: I'm thinkin' your setup ain't doing ya justice at all... you got 1LPM per liter
or very close to it... and with that I got up to 40mpg... theirs a slight difference in the TONNAGE between our 2 trucks but the engine should work on the same ratios !
I used to get 22 and got 40 both figures are on the low side...
you got 12 and only got 13mpg  I'ed have thought you should have gotten 24 to 25mpg...
in effect Doubleing your MPG... but that hasn't happened...
so what is the problem there ? have you not leaned out the gasoline going into the engine at all ?....one of those goodies you have there should lean out the engine...
from what you were just saying it sounds like you are only trying to fight the O2 sensors
and havn't touched the rich /leanness of the fuel mix yet....
 if thats the case you won't see any real gains untill you lean that big engine out some !
because the computer will just pump the gas through the engine weather it wants it or not...
  I am totally convinced that the Ford Chevy dodge and GM pickups are set to gobble fuel at a certain rait regardless of the burn... ( its money in their pocket because they own oil stock! )...
 but it doesn't have to be that way...
 I had a 350 ford 1/2ton with a 4spd stick that I fixed up when I got it it was getting 11 to 12 MPG loaded with stuff or empty..it alwayse got that !   I talked to a friend of mine and his pickup was getting 20 to 24mpg...with the same engine and trans, but with a lower geared rear end. other wize it was the same animal... so I tore into my carberator and discovered that there were passage ways that allowed extra fuel to flow into the air stream if even the tinyiest bit of dirt made the check ball stick.... I cured that by plugging the passage with a wooden match stick on both sides.... and also repaired the accelerator pump that was leaking.... my milage went up to 18mpg and stayed there under load or not...
its called "they get ya comeing and going!"   I did finally get up to 20mpg with the truck before I sold it by putting on larger exhost pipes...3" ones but couldn't afford the needed headders! so I used the stock exhost manifolds...  but I finally got 20mpg and it started to matter weather I was loaded or not  if I was loaded I'ed get 18mpg if I was empty I'ed get 20 +... ...so I was getting fairly close to having it right... I think if it were right I would have gotten 25MPG empty...
But that is a Old carberated engine and this Fuel injected stuff is harder to track down that sort of stuff....
 for one there are no passages to plug with wooden match sticks like I did ! <GRIN>
but you need to find WHAT is causeing the thing to dump raw fuel into the engine at ALL times  and I think we already know the answer to that...the computer !...
You realy need to be able to adjust the computer on that truck !  or buy a after market chip to slap in there to get rid of their gas hungry schiem...
Yes its a big truck and it works hard but that doesn't mean you can't get decent milage out of it.... for that truck you should be able to get 15 to 18mpg  to begin with...
and you know as well as I do you'll never get that without modification ! ...they don't want you to!
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  the 1972 ford f-100  that I had was simple to work on... it only had a PCV valve on it for smog and a filter on the oil breather !...thats it !
today we have so much more to contend with its just plane silly ! but useing the older trucks as a guide I know we can do better than what they brag about on tv ! HAHAHHAHA
and then add the Hydroxy unit and double your already GOOD gasmilage for that truck and then you'll realy have something !....
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Most guys that have those big Duelies Love them and wouldn't trade them fer nuttin' and I understand that.... but don't think just because its "that type" that you can't get better gas milage...because you can !
.... now weather its legal or not is something else ! HAHAHAHHAHA
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Bob......