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« Reply #90 on: December 06, 2008, 01:41:54 am » |
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whats the valve on the end for?
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« Reply #91 on: December 06, 2008, 06:15:44 am » |
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Bob,
Here is something to help with the gas supply problem. Let your cell fill the moving drum 'til it nearly pushes it out of the water tank first. You will then be able to monitor how much gas the engine is using by watching the way it rises and falls.
If you get the drum to hover at a particular level for X revs that will be usefull data for you.
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« Reply #92 on: December 06, 2008, 06:24:42 am » |
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Good idea Manta, but you better add a bubbler into the mix unless you are needing an extra skylight in the shed roof. (LOL)  |
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« Reply #93 on: December 06, 2008, 07:09:10 am » |
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Candyman55, Good point. Also might be an idea to use a plastic drum instead of a steel one. Having said that, it probably would go straight up if the gas did light up. Wonder how far it would go ? Manta |
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« Reply #94 on: December 06, 2008, 07:13:47 am » |
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Probably would go a good little way. I wonder if we can talk Bob into giving it a go?
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« Reply #96 on: December 07, 2008, 01:46:33 am » |
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that was a giant cell.
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« Reply #97 on: December 07, 2008, 02:08:22 am » |
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I tried to watch it and lugged down both computers so I turned it off ! heheheheh
did he say what LPM he was using and what size of engine ?
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« Reply #98 on: December 07, 2008, 06:13:21 am » |
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Bob it was a 3.5 hp briggs motor and he had the tube coming from the bubbler just stuck up in the air cleaner and was using about 10-12 LPM just to make it idle hmmmm I'd say about 400-600 rpm from the sound of it.Darn Bob I guess I was wrong it took almost 12 LPM to idle the briggs and that's over twice my guess of 5 LPM(told you so <snicker snicker>).I not sure how much throttle he had open but I'm guessing it was wide open.One thing for sure you weren't going to apply any load to that motor to run a generator or cut the grass for that matter(although he seemed to have enough tubing to run around the lawn a few times HAHAHAHA).Man one wrong spark with that setup and you could see that one from space.
Bob the guy said the cell he used to generate the 10-12 LPM weighed almost 250 lbs.and was massive.I think after seeing that youtube it's time to break out the dreaded ol' drawing board again.
The guy was also talking about using solar panels and batteries for household use.but by the time you paid for all the solar panels batteries and build another dozen of those overgrown cells your cost return plan would be about 20 years give or take a decade.
Hey the guy has the right idea but like most regarding this idea he's a long long long long long way from achieviing it.
Ok guys before you switch on the military mode on your keyboards remember this only my opinion there are many like it but this one is mine heheheheheh.
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« Reply #99 on: December 07, 2008, 02:42:04 pm » |
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I got a good laugh out of the length of hose he used from the cell to the mower. It just kept going, going, and going.
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« Reply #100 on: December 07, 2008, 04:27:07 pm » |
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Holey COW ! ( and yes thats a cow full of holes!,...Not a cow destined for sainthood!)
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10 to 12LPM and it was only idleing ? that is so far out in the OZONE its not even funny!
I bet he had Hydroxy gas boiling out of that air cleaner all the time its a wonder it didn't explode on him !
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I'ed say first off thats part of the problem, the way he hooked it to the engine.
it ran the engine and thats probly as far as he took it... when he probly could have ran it on much much less....
Remember what I said about Hydroxy gas exploding all the way up to 100%.... and that it will NOT FLOOD.... that is a very good example of it... unlike gasoline... if you have too much hydroxy gas you won't Know it except by the consumption... where with gasoline it will flood out and not run at all ! but Hydroxy gas just keeps on firing!
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and I'm fairly sure that is a major flaw because the engine can only get a small amount of Hydroxy gas into the cylinder if thats the case... there has to be some air going into the engine from outside... I have thought long and hard about this aspect of it and I am sure I am right on this because without the opening you'll only get enough hydroxy gas to barely run the thing.... hinse the idle only.
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But, it sounds as if it was just enough to run it at idle,( and I know better than that..YES I"M A HARD HEAD!) but the 3.5 B&S is a very lousie engine when it comes to working efficiently.
when Randy's truck Idled on 4LPM with no gasoline in the carb at all that tells me it won't take all that much Hydroxy gas to run my truck... and Randy is NOT the only one that has ran their vehicles on Hydroxy gas granted almost all that I know of were Older Carberated engines. but that doesn't change the fact that they ran on hydroxy gas at UNDER 10LPM.... Randys 2.5Liter Dodge had 4LPM and ran, Hydrotech's Hudge V8 Chevy duely took 8LPM and he drove it to the end of the block and back, it ran like shit he said! but it RAN !...
LTCFisher Ran his little car on hydroxy gas Only I think....and I think Scratch1676 Has also ran his truck on Hydroxy gas alone
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So I just don't think one documented case of a 3.5 takeing 10 to 12LPM to run it will sway me ! HAHAHAHAHA ! especially when Hydroxy doesn't Flood and it just keeps on exploding
if you look at it from my point of view the engine was running on 100% hydroxy gas with No air at all ... and it was so rich that it wasn't even funny... like 100% rich!
if you break it down to go as lean as 50/50 even that reduces it to 5 to 6LPM which is still allot in my book but exceptable !
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« Reply #101 on: December 07, 2008, 05:56:07 pm » |
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I'm not sure about the amount of hydroxy the cell I ran my truck on was putting out, at the time I was using baking soda and a very high output charger, If I remember right the cell was pulling around 70 amps, the gas was introduced directly into the intake manifold, I think the key to running 100% hydroxy is controlling the amount of air introduced with the gas, I moved the input hose ahead of the carb and it would not run.
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« Reply #102 on: December 07, 2008, 08:01:20 pm » |
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Hay Randy ...Did you try to open the throttle with the hose infront of the carb ?
I amagon you tried about everything eh ?
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« Reply #103 on: December 07, 2008, 08:25:13 pm » |
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Bob, I got this link form another Forum, it has a lot of interesting info. Along with a lot of formulas that I didn't try to figure out but somewhere in the text this guy stated that he could not get the engine to run when adding hydrogen in front of the carb. Someone else may want to check it out if they havent already. http://hhoforums.com/showthread.php?t=1957 |
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« Reply #104 on: December 07, 2008, 10:09:35 pm » |
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Kool ! thanks Candyman !
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