Running a Briggs&Stratton....

[Bob]

Howdy All
As Promiced I am takeing on the task of trying to run a Briggs and Stratton 5HP engine
on 100% Hydroxy gas alone...
so, I brought home my 5hp Briggs and Stratton engine from the Ranch and set it up on my work table ... its 206cc or 12.5C.I. Displacement ( says so on the engine coweling!)
got it running good, starts with 1 pull after its ran a bit... so I figure it'll be a good test to see if it runs on Hydroxy gas or not....
I am totally guessing here but I think I'll need at least 2LPM to run that engine
(1LPM per 100cc displacement)... ofcorse I can be way off and it need 2LPM per 100cc
 I don't know... I am guessing ! HAHAHAHAHA
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I'll pull the carb and gas-tank on it and then make a adaptor on the intake with a hose nipple on it... and try  it on Hydroxy gas then ...
... my problem is not the mechanics, its getting enough Hydroxy gas !....
but its an interesting experiment... I plan to power the hydroxy generator with the welder on its lowest setting on DC... that worked very well before and that should give me quite a bit of Hydroxy gas to play with !
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All I got done on this project today was mounting the engine on the work table ( a 1-1/4" 4'x4' Hunk of plywood Nailed to a tree stump... makes a great table! <GRIN>)
it has 2 pins and only one bolt in the hold downs but it don't go anywhere when it runs and thats all I am worried about... I took off the big 8" Impeller I had on it as a snow thrower... so there is Nothing on the shaft to turn... I may hook a pully to it later and see what kind of diference the LOAD on the engine makes when Running the Hydroxy gas.
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at the Moment I am thinking just sealing off the intake and feeding the Hydroxy hose right to it with no air intake at all... but if I can find the right parts in my junk bin I may put a ball valve on it with a T for the hydroxy gas so I can see how lean the mixture will run...  if my guesses are right I should be able to streach the LPM a long way that way.
... but its all guess work at this stage ... tomorrow should tell something!
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Bob.........




Bob.....

[hydrotinkerer]

Just so I understand are you feeding just hho gas and no outside air mix?

[geezer]

Bob....... was wondering if you were familair with telsa tech site and geet. where they run a lawnmower eng on water and its own fumes.  kind of far fetcht. but they have free plans for small eng expensive plans for cars. if you are interested google   telsa tech inc   look under freeplans  or  GEET

[Bob]

Yes I am Fimilure with that setup... its very ingenious !
I saw one of those running at a parts place in town last summer, that is what got me started in this stuff... a fella had a b&s 2.5 or 3Hp engine mounted on a board and the Geet reactor on it... and he Said that there was nothing but water in the container... but after reading the Geet site I seriously doubt that there was no gasoline in the water at all...
but it is a very good atomization system and useing the Exhost to excite it in the first place is a stroke of genious....
 but that is not what I'm trying to prove here...
I want to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that a internal combustion engine can run on Hydroxy gas alone...
 I want to have all the numbers, the LPM and Engine Displacement and how much it takes to accomplish the task....
for me its fairly easy to do, but for most people it would be a substancial investment, but I already have the nessarry stuff to do it and all I have to do is get off my butt and do it! <GRIN>
 I took off the carb and gas-tank a bit ago, and am useing the Carb gasket as a shape to make the intake manifold for the Hydroxy gas input... I can't find a 3/8" Pipe "T" anywhere and the ball valve I have is 3/8" and I have a 1/4"x3/8" pipe hose barb that screws into the Ball valve nicely... so for Now I think I will try directly connecting to the engine with the hydroxy line with NO outside air at all... as its a simple weld-up job for me
...I have the holes drilled in the 3/16" plate scrap but need to cut it out with the hack saw yet and rough out its shape. then weld a 1/2" short piece of pipe onto the flange
so it will bolt onto the engine...
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All this will prove is that a engine will run on the Hydroxy gas and it will give me the LPM needed for the size of the engine... those 2 figures should help us in determineing the needed LPM for out Auto engines.
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although we all know a B&S engine is far from very efficient...infact they don't get much worse in fuel echonemy ! but its a start !
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My goal is to run the Hydroxy generator and the engine at the same time useing no storage device... just a bubbler... and then do a LPM test after a successfull run.
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I won't be able to tell how many amps are being used and thats rather unimportant anyway
as the LPM is the KEY...
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Depending on what happens tomarrow I might even get to try it and see what it does !hehehehe
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Bob........

[Bob]

Here's 2 Pictures one of the engine with the gastank and intrigated carb off then engine and
the other of the ball valve and stuff I plan to make a new manifold out of for the Hydroxy gas...
Bob...

[Bob]

Hydrotech: Yes ...thats the plan for the moment no outside air at all just the Hydroxy gas
and I'll see what that does.
...it hasn't ran yet but I have high hopes !<GRIN>
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Eventually I'ed like to make a  venturi/carb thingie to mix outside air with the hydroxy gas and see how far I can stretch the Hydroxy gas.... "how lean can it go and still run" type of thing...  but for now No air at all.
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Bob........

[Manta]

Bob,
If you want something to drive you could fit a pulley and run an alternator.  That way we will find out if the B&S can really produce enough power using hydroxy  (Via the alternator and a battery) to run itself.
That will help lay to rest of the 'perpetual motion machine' ghost.

Manta

[Bob]

HAHAHA true ...
anyone got one of those 200amp super density Altenators or what ever their called they want to donate for the cause ? HAHAHAHHAHA
you know the ones with the perminant magnets in them ! .... or is that cheetin' ?
heheheheheh
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Bob........

[candyman55]

Bob,
there ain't no cheetin in this game, if we can post all of the correct facts. Our goal is to make it work, we can only go foreward.

[Bob]

So far.... this is as far as I've gotten....
got the engine ready to run at least.... I think <GRIN>
got a valve and manifold on there that I made up...
...grabed the Old hydroxy gen and hooked it to the charger and within a few seconds the charger popped off.... so I am going to have to have my battery back from the Tractor down at the ranch....or take the one out of the truck... havn't desided which yet hehehehe
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so I can't even attempt to run it till I get the Hydroxy generator working...
and I'ed like to have a bubbler on it !...
I might switch out the hydroxy cell for the Smack booster.... it has a bubbler on it
and will work better than that old steel cell anyway ! HAHAHAHA
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 I discovered that I hauled off my connectors to the welder and took them to the ranch already... so I can't use the welder to power it till I bring back my heavy #4 cables
.... you know how it goes.... 2 steps foward 1 step back ...
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Bob...

[Tink]

Way to go Bob!
What's that thing behind the smack booster? I've got a 3.5hp Honda engine I was thinking of tinkering with. You might just inspire me yet.
Tink

[randy]

what are ya gonna do about that waste spark Bob?

[hydrotinkerer]

I'll bet your going to wish for electric start!

[Bob]

What waste spark Randy <GRIN>....
if it gives me hell I'll shoot it with my shotgun !
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yah now that ya mention it ... the B&S should fire every time the crank goes 360deg
thats probly on the intake stroke and on compression stroke....
...I guess I'll see if it blows the Hose off the inake UH ?
... Dunno what can be done if thats the case .... Humm
Randy you realy know how to mess a feller up !
HAHAHAHAHHAHA
thanks for the warning !
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Tink... that black box with the yeller stripes is the new Nifty Super duper Non Rusting
Tough-mate Toolbox  the purdy one got me about 3 weeks ago... she saw me carrying my small metal tackel box with both hands cuz its rusting out and said You need a tool box dear !
and I agreed ! ... when we went into town the next day I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE FOUND ONE !
sooo... I came home with it ! ...
less than $10 bucks and holds more tools than my old one ! I ain't complaining ! HAHAHHA
bet it splits wide open in the cold though ! HAHAHAH
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Bob.........

[Bob]

Hydrotinkierer:
I do all ready ! HAHAHA
I'ed settle for a recoil pull rope that I don't have to beg to re wind each time though!
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Randy has me wondering now ! hehehe I wonder if that thing is going to Burp every time ?
... only one way to tell I guess !
Bob........