Ed
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« on: November 11, 2008, 07:58:15 pm » |
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Hi I'm trying to find out which cell seems to have the best output, the Randy Cell, Terro Cell or Smack style Cell? I've been try to build a Randy cell but I keep burning up expensive cobalt bits even while using copious amounts of cutting oil.  |
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candyman55
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 08:16:55 pm » |
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Ed,
If you are burning up bits you are turning them to fast. Slow down and use a drill press if you got it.
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hydrotinkerer
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 08:20:20 pm » |
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I really think the cell style is a personal preference. I like dry cells but thats me. Randy likes washers. Bob?
Turn those colbalt bits as slow as you can.
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hg2
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 08:54:21 pm » |
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Dry cells have my vote.They don't have the heat issues and run more efficiently than the plates innadip designs like the smacks.
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Ed
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 09:15:59 pm » |
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Hg2:
Can you direct me to pictures and information on constructing dry cells?
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Bob
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2008, 09:53:54 am » |
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HEHEHE Don't believe everything you read there Ed... but his cell is a good one!
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I Like the Randy cell because its small and cheep... but unfortionately it takes a bunch of them to make a bunch of Hydroxy gas....
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I am leaning toward the Dry cell because I think I can get the amount of Hydroxy gas I need from ONE cell.... to be honnest I am tired of playing with the Randy cell... it just hasn't proformed all that well for me, although others have had much better results than I have.
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I am going to try a switch plate cover design useing the randy cell type of electrical connections... but use a bunch of plates...probly 40 of them ..
if given enough amprage it should preform very good... and its easier to construct than a Dry cell and I can use a 4" ABS pipe to hold it in as a container...a big plus !
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if and when I can get enough funds to start construction I will make plans for it and post them here for all....
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the smack booster is a good cell, but it just does not put out enough gas !
and useing 2 in series doesn't seam to work at all according to Tink!
so I think I'ed go with the Randy cell or the Dry cell... depending on your abilities.
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Bob....
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hg2
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2008, 12:55:29 pm » |
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BTW Ed,the plans I sent you show using 8 plates,you only need 7 plates because 6 cells are more efficient.Thought I'd throw that out there in case you planned to build right away
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Ed
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2008, 11:55:36 am » |
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Thanks guys! I'm going to start building a dry cell it seems simple enough. Hg2: how do you keep the water level up? how much heat and loss it there if the cell has a self leveling hole drilled in each plate?
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Bob
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2008, 12:51:33 pm » |
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Ed:
Not much that I know of from the reports of others... a small 1/8" hole in altenerateing cornors on the bottom seams to work good.
also check out Sailormon's rendition of the cell He used what I call the Flooded Tero cell
method... and many people have adapted this to their dry cells with good results !
it not only alows the full use of the plate area inside the cell but by its nature pumps water from the recurculateion tank through the cell automatically keeping it cool
it is in my mind a must have for a dry cell...
Bob........
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IronBear
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2008, 02:00:48 pm » |
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Cell choice is more often a matter of how much time and energy one can put towards making the cell and the resources available. Personally I know that there is a flooded cell in my future, but I am still playing with light switch covers because I am of the opinion that the tech needs to be accessible to the common man. Thats why I am trying to refine the cell design so that more people can produce it. I am striving for a better design that the average joe can build and see good results. BTW, my hat is off to everyone who has worked so hard to help the process along. We may not millions of dollars in grant money, but we do have some very smart, tenacious people here..  IB |
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2008, 03:34:35 pm » |
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Along the lines of smart people, I finally got of my arse to get my degrees. Took an acceptance eval for a college and found out I'm smarter than I thought. Start Feb 23rd  Online courses, but learning just the same. Looks as though I will be able to continue experiments next year when I get to my new location. They will be primitive since a Lowes won't be around the corner, but I will be testing different materials and voltages. The only down side is I won't be doing many tests on my truck. I'll get a push mower to play with. |
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hg2
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2008, 04:27:24 pm » |
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Thanks guys! I'm going to start building a dry cell it seems simple enough. Hg2: how do you keep the water level up? how much heat and loss it there if the cell has a self leveling hole drilled in each plate?
I bought reservoir tank from advanced auto pts.and mounted so that the fill line (which is the tank filled to 1" from the top) and put a mark level with the correct level of my cell(see the tero plans).I just keep it topped off(which is a once a week) this keeps the cell fairly close to where it needs to be. |
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Manta
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2008, 04:49:11 pm » |
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Cowboy, Congratulations.  Be nice to see some letters after your name. Should you go on to a Masters you can always do your thesis on hydroxy generation. Manta |
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2008, 05:02:28 pm » |
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Cowboy PhD, HMD, BSD Hydrogen production theory Hydrogen application Able to talk all about it I don't know if Masters are in the cards or not. Just a couple of engineering degrees so I can get a deeper background to allow me to tinker more effectively. Not even interested in an engineering job at this point. |
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randy
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2008, 05:12:43 pm » |
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all of mankinds current knowledge is only a small fraction of what is truely out there.
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Cowboy
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2008, 05:21:20 pm » |
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all of mankinds current knowledge is only a small fraction of what is truely out there.
'Tis very true. But an unarmed adversary in a battle of wits goes home confused. |
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hg2
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2008, 05:34:19 pm » |
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Now you guys are getting deep.(snicker)
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randy
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2008, 06:47:05 pm » |
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I fail to articulate for fear that I may deviate from my true course of rectitude.
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hydrotinkerer
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2008, 07:00:32 pm » |
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randy
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2008, 07:50:02 pm » |
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anything is possible.
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hydrotinkerer
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2008, 08:02:35 pm » |
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I thought culture took over. Next Bob will come up with something like that. I'll hurt myself getting off the floor. hahaha  |
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Ed
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2008, 08:12:15 pm » |
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Now back to our previously scheduled show. What are the pros and cons to a fully flooded dry cell versus one that has headroom at the top? |
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hydrotinkerer
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2008, 08:51:53 pm » |
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The fully flooded circulates its own water. Doing so keeps the temperature down. It also uses the full plate surface for production. The one with the headroom dosn't use the whole surface of the plate for production and you have to manually regulate the fluid level.
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Bob
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2008, 08:52:52 pm » |
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Congrats Cowboy!
I hope your piece of paper does you more good, than mine did me !
I'm a certified computer repair tech... got the paper to prove it...
has NEVER got me a dime... saved me a bunch though but that wasn't why I got it !
oh well.... such is life !
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Ed... the cons on not useing the flooded method are that the upper portion of the plates are not being used ... and that equates to LPM output.... where a flooded cell will use all the plate area...
now you have to be thinking well, is the diference worth the added hassel ? WHO KNOWS!
it should produce more Hydroxy gas being flooded than not.... but there is no data on that and some of the Dry cell fellers doubt that its worth it...
so use your own judgment !
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